We posted a link to Jill and Derick Dillard's brief appearance on Good Morning America yesterday morning. They also appeared on Nightline to talk more with Juju Chang about their new book and Jill's story. The couple mentions Jill and Jessa's 2015 interview with Megyn Kelly and the fact that Josh was in the room during the filming, as well as Jill's attempt to reach out to Josh at Christmastime.
Jill and Derick Dillard on ABC Nightline: September 12, 20223
It is grotesque Josh was in the room. JimBob and Michelle used emotional warfare to control
ReplyDeleteJill. So glad she’s speaking out.
Josh and protecting Josh was always the #1 priority. The girls and their feelings, not so much. Michelle might have been sympathetic but Jim Bob surely was NOT.
DeleteAgreed!
DeleteSame! He was smiling too! That is so twisted.
DeleteWhen you think JimBob and Michelle can’t get any worse. Surprise! They sure can!
ReplyDeleteObviously having Josh there was an extremely poor choice. But we’re talking about people who didn’t go to college and who didn’t grow up in our victim sensitive generation. They probably thought he’d feel remorseful hearing the long term consequences of his actions. I have no idea. What I do know is all parents make a lot of mistakes. I believe they loved their children and tried very hard to give them a more God-centered, loving and safe childhood than they had themselves. All of their rules were aimed at protecting those children from the world. Little did they know there was going to huge issues internally. Did they navigate everything perfectly? Nope. But did they act with malice to intentionally harm their children? I do not believe that for a minute. I think they didn’t know better. It was a lot of different elements they’d never dealt with and a great deal of pressure. You could see from watching the shows-everything is about those children. Jill dragging her parents over the coals in public over and over is a mistake she won’t be able to take back. I agree with JB. You’re crying because you feel guilty! This is not the right thing to do! If you’re trying to figure out why you haven’t “healed,” look in the mirror at the pain you’re causing others and profiting from it
ReplyDeleteThis was a well thought out written statement. I also believe someday Jill will regret how she has made this thing all about money. …it is a complex situation..but most people molested don’t desire to revisit it over and over.
DeleteWhile I understand there are no perfect parents, as a parent our job is to protect our children from harm. They failed miserably at that. Part of Bill Gothards teaching was the “umbrella of protection”. Fathers are responsible for protecting their children. JB did not protect his daughters.
DeleteI believe JB doesn't have a clue about what love means... His personality only uses people for his purposes... Very sad for the children...
DeleteThe incident with the girls happened once...by a 13 yr old minor kid who needed a good talking to about appropriate touch. Yes he definitely was wrong and needed help then, but remember he was a kid too. The girls were sleeping so they apparently didn't know anything happened
DeleteOh no, I can't believe ANYONE is still defending Josh's behavior, either while a teen or an adult!! And 4:54, you've got a lot of catching up to do on facts if you think it was "once" or "the girls were sleeping" or they "didn't know anything happened." None of that is true.
Delete4:54 at 13 he should had known better. But it still could mean he learned it from someone.
Delete@4:54 It happened multiple times with multiple victims, including a non-family member. They were not necessarily asleep. If someone came into your bedroom and started groping you, wouldn't you wake up? Furthermore, the abuse continued until Josh was 15 years old. When it hit the fan yeas later, Jill and Jessa were pressured to do the interview with Megan Kelley, with Josh sitting in the room. It's unbelievable that you minimize his behavior. We all know what that "kid" turned out to be.
Delete4:54, he did it to 4 different people! It wasn't a one-time situation.
Delete4:54, that doesn't appear to be the case at all. First, remember that the report that was given about the abuse, the girls were under pressure not to say the wrong thing about what was going on, because if they did, they were terrified the family would be broken up. So they were under tremendous pressure to minimize their abuse. It also came out in trial testimony that Josh did something quite awful to a young sister, separately from whatever happened with the older girls and however many times that happened.
DeleteThat statement by the parents is terrible. "We're imperfect" - so we're supposed to have pity for them, even after all the terrible things we suspected were going on were just confirmed to have really happened? I have no pity. They knew exactly what they were doing. You don't run a business empire for that long, with people "advising" you, make multi-millions that you keep for yourself, and then claim oopsie, we were imperfect, but all is OK because we tried to be Christ-like! Even Christ wouldn't buy that. And you certainly aren't fooling God who the Bible says knows everything in our hearts, despite what our outward appearances try to say. The Duggars are in for some strict judgement, both now by the public and again later.
ReplyDeleteGod will judge those who have not sincerely repented and have not accepted Jesus as their Savior. Everything the public has seen of the parents show their sincere love for Jesus. All the other children were thankful for the houses and investments Jim Bob made with the LLC investments, except Jill. The $174,000.00 she got to buy her first home wasn’t enough for her..it’s all about money
DeleteI agree!
DeleteDo not judge lest you be judged
Delete@3:31 It's comments like yours, supporting the parents, that helped make Jill's book possible. She had to set the record straight about what her parents were really like and really capable of doing.
DeleteI get so upset when I see a religion being practiced where the girls and women are put in a role of subservient and here for one reason and that is to live to serve her man. If her dreams and hopes and talents and desires are to be thrown away to die and instead she is to meet all the dreams and hopes and desires of her man then please know that you are in a false manmade religion. God has birthed in each one of us talents, callings for our lives, dreams and hopes and visions of greatness in Him and He will lead you to your spouse that has similar qualities as you have who will add to your life and you to their life and together you both will flourish in life and in God. He never created us His daughters to be broken, used, voiceless property to anyone and a spouse should never want that for you. God loves His daughters and so please don't fall into a manmade religion that strips you of all that God has planned for your life. You are the best you when you are soaring in everything God created for you to be.
Delete@8:48 If we're not to "judge" obvious bad behavior, then what are the 10 Commandments there for, and why does our judicial system exist? Bad behavior is bad behavior and everyone should know it when they see it, if they've read the Bible or if they just have a lick of common sense. We're not supposed to say anything about things that are wrong? How does not calling it out help matters?
Delete@10:07 Yeah but there is a difference. And women need to learn that we are all born with a role. The man works hard at work and provides. He does outside house work. The women keeps house. Or vice versa. Both of them takes care of the kids. Its called being a team. Realistically, yes it takes 2 incomes these days. But if one has a good enough job and had college, you should be fine. There needs to be at least one stay at home person and parent to take care of the house. Two working people cannot possibly keep up with a house. You neglect it, dust and dirt builds. You won't have time to do anything on the weekends. It's better and safer for the children as well.
Delete@1:59 Please tell me you aren't the same person who continually comes on here saying nobody needs college, because you just said people need college. Those male/female roles are archaic and not practical these days. There are single-parent families where women MUST work. There are 2-parent working families that do just fine. You hire someone else to clean the house, thereby creating a job for another person, male or female. Your weekends are free. There are excellent schools and daycares available for children, often providing more attention, education, and nourishment than they'd get at home. We're not "born with a role." We're born with POTENTIAL, and if that means your full potential is met by working in a career, so be it, male OR female!
DeleteEverything is about money.
ReplyDeleteI really see Jill's issue more about making it clear that it was about honesty and truth in their contractual agreements for the show. She wanted people to know what was being asked of her and Derick by her father and TLC. Money is a fact of life, without it a family can not thrive.
DeleteI really believe there is so much that these women had to endure that JB and Michelle should consider crawling under a rock.
ReplyDeleteOoh so much, like vacations, family gatherings, beautiful weddings, baby showers... oh yeah..mmhmmm a lot...right
Delete@4:55 You forgot what Josh did to these women.....right? What amount of fun family things makes up for that? I would love to hear your answer.
Delete4:55 Yeah, right, like the things that was happening when the cameras wasn't rolling. Because obviously things did happen otherwise the son wouldn't be in prison right now.
Delete4:55. All the weddings, vacations, parties, and baby showers etc were for TV. JimBob was paid extremely well for all of that.
Delete@4:55 the effects of sexual abuse run deep and are often life long...no vacations, trips or weddings can compensate for the abuse.
DeleteI am really troubled by many comments on the blog regarding Jill and Jinger. These girls were molested. These girls have dealt with the fallout of that for many years. These girls were on a reality show. There are child labour laws in the US because of child exploitation in the early days of movie making etc. TLC has much to blame for skirting those laws and taking advantage of minors who were never fairly represented by the network or their parents. These girls did their very best to be obedient to their parents even at their own costs. I know Jim Bob and Michelle love all of their children but from where I sit as a parent of adult children who have their own family units who are individuals leading their lives the best they can, to honour their needs and their children’s needs, I think as parents we owe those adult children respect and honour back. I am feeling torn because there are no sides in this. But I feel for Jill and Jinger the most.
ReplyDeleteIt's getting harder and harder to comment here without breaking the guidelines. Suffice to say for now that Jim Bob was all I suspected he was and then some. It always seemed that the show was a facade and that he was responsible, but it took awhile for the proof to be there. Little by little the facade has been peeled away. It's all gone now, but I still get the feeling there's more to Jim Bob than even Jill has exposed. I don't know how anyone could support a man like that, the things he has done, and what he has caused his family to do. It's another TLC debacle in their long line of messes they've helped create.
ReplyDeleteSo glad Jill is getting to tell her story. Jim Bob and Michelle are now complaining about the "media" after the way they used the same media to whitewash Josh. The truth is finally coming out.
ReplyDeleteThey didn't complain
Delete5:10 They pretty much are....
DeleteNow we know how Jill and Jessa were coerced into defending Josh in that interview. All I can say is shame on Jim Bob and Michelle for doing that. How horrible to be interviewed about being molested with your molester in the same room. Makes my flesh crawl.
ReplyDeleteCoerced into that interview, coached before talking to the police, warned that if she said the wrong thing to CPS Jill would be responsible for breaking up the family... It's all too much. I don't know how a "loving" parent can treat a child like that. The main objective was always to try to fool the public and make money, not protect the girls.
DeletePeople pretty much knew their parents had something to do with that interview. But what people wasn't prepared for was the fact Josh was in the room during that interview smiling.
DeleteHow do you know he was in the room?
Delete9:48 It was in the book.
Delete@9:48 Jill flat-out says that in the book. Do you need page number?
DeleteRiight
DeleteThis interview like the Good Morning interview shows how Jill has been influenced by her husband. Why would anyone think it’s Christian like to air all the dirty laundry in public, including the signed contract? It’s sad that she is so bitter against her
ReplyDeleteParents, Derrick has indeed played a big role in this. I thought the statement Jim Bob and Michelle put out was God honoring.
@9:53 Your opinion is definitely in the minority here. The rest of us don't see it that way at all. Jill NEEDED her husband's "influence" to get her out of the mess she was in. He was her only way out. Jim Bob sure wasn't going to listen to her, respect her feelings, or do the right things by her.
DeleteThe truth is God honoring. It appears that Derrick simply seen what was going on and took the reigns. After they were married JB needed to respect a few boundaries and allow them to decide their own choices not lie and coerce them into a contract and then not pay them. How were they suppose to live, pay rent, buy food, etc.. JB and Michelle made a choice to put their entire family on tv and they needed to make sure that truth and transparency kept the story from turning ugly.
DeleteDo you think it's "God honoring" or Christian to exploit your family on TV for years, while protecting a criminal son? It's a good thing that Jill has pulled back the curtain and exposed Jim Bob and Michelle for what they are... and it's far from Christian.
DeleteIt’s sad that her parents made her do a tv interview with Megan Kelly while her brother, who touched her, sat in front of her and watched. That is sick. It’s sad that her parents did not protect the girls and instead protected Josh. Why would anyone put their family on tv and have EVERYTHING filmed and think that was Christian? No modesty about keeping lives private, about living frugal, etc. where did all the money go that was earned through TLC? It bought properties and businesses. Doubt any of the money was donated to church or Christian organizations. The money was used to build the Duggar empire and so many people fell for it. There is NOTHING Christian like in that.
DeleteIs it also God honoring that they basically hindered Jill and Derek to be missionaries? And interfering in the life of married children? Turning her siblings against her? Protecting Josh?
Delete9:53 - I'm glad Derick is there by Jill's side and is a lawyer to boot. I can't see anyone else in that family standing up to Jim Bob. As far as the parents' statement being "God honoring," actions speak far louder than words. I don't think the parents even wrote that statement. It has their PR firm's marks all over it, the same firm that put out statements after Josh was caught doing all the things Josh was caught doing. Weak attempts at damage control, with a Christian spin put on it to gain sympathy.
DeleteAgreed
DeleteI feel that Jim Bob and Michelle aired dirty laundry in public for over a decade. Except it was turned inside out so you couldn't see the stains, and we were all supposed to admire it. I'd rather hear what Jill has to say than more cover-ups and half-truths from the parents. I find misrepresenting yourself much more heinous than telling the truth.
DeleteConsidering JimBob had no problem with compromising his children's privacy years ago when he signed that first TLC contract, Jill has a perfect right to share her own story about her growing up years in front of the camera. There are 19 kids in the family and no one should be surprised when they become adults and have something to say publicly.
DeleteI like to know where you got that logic lol
DeleteJill's book was so good. It really gave us insight of what they been through and it showed her parents true colors. I feel like if Michelle wasn't so submissive, she would had been a great parent just based off a few moments in the book. But she and Jim Bob failed their daughters especially Jill. All they wanted to do is protect their money and Josh.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure that being "submissive" was the real issue with Michelle. She was too busy with her agenda of having as many babies as rapidly as she could to have time to pay much a ttention to what was going on with the other children. She was either pregnant and/or had a new baby for well over 20 years.
DeleteJill is just rebelling... who knew she'd be the trouble maker of the bunch?
Delete8:13 Jill did the right thing. She also isn't the one sitting in a cell.
Delete@8:13 You poke at even the sweetest person repeatedly and they will get mad. Poor Jill was poked at emotionally all her life.
DeleteJill broke the family "code of silence". I don't think this rift will ever be healed.
ReplyDeleteIn this case it's good to break the rules.
DeleteI don't think things will ever be the same, but is that a bad thing? I know plenty of people who have ditched relationships with biological family members and gone on to live wonderful lives, making close connections with friends who became like family. In those cases, life was much better all around without the trouble the family was causing! Just because you share DNA with someone doesn't mean you owe them a relationship your entire life, not if they're causing problems. Take care of yourself first, not others. Jill is finally trying to do that.
Delete2:29 I agree. The Bible says to forgive but it doesn't say you have to continue to have a relationship with them.
DeleteI think both Jill and her parents desire to heal their relationship. It's going to take a lot of forgiveness on both sides.....Jill deserves a huge apology from her parents especially JB and the parents both need to accept and own that they failed to protect their daughters.
DeleteYes ,I agree Jill has come to the point of no return. She has ditched her large family and is content with her small family. The other 17 children, in-laws and precious grand babies will continue to be a blessing and encouragement to Jim Bob and Michelle.
DeleteI'm glad Jill spoke about the interview with Megyn Kelly. It was clear she and Jessa had been coached on what to say but I didn't know Josh was in the room to ensure they stayed on script. How appalling. Enabling Josh led to even worse behavior.
ReplyDeleteI think anyone who watched that Kelly interview knew that something was way off. Just couldn't put our fingers on exactly what it was other than being told what to say ahead of time by Jim Bob. Josh being in the room watching explains a lot. I think we know exactly who told Josh to be there.
DeleteAnd not only that but he was smiling too.
DeleteTHE ONLY RESON JINGER'S BOOK MIGHT SELL LOTS MORE. IS THAT WAS THE FIRST BOOK WRITTEN, I READ THE BOOK, AND I AM SHOCKED!!!!
ReplyDeleteWhy are u shocked?
DeletePLEASE SHARE JUSTINE SHOCKED ABOUT WHAT? Just because you watched the doesn't really as we have found out THE TRUTH.
DeleteJill's book has the ring of truth. Instead of apologizing to her for their conduct, Jim Bob and Michelle want "privacy".
ReplyDeleteThey will never apologize for their conduct. "We made mistakes" is as close as you'll get. But in the next breath, they remind you how Godly they think they are. Terrible.
DeleteIt's called handling a difficult situation between family members..would you want your kids trashing you on social media??
DeleteJill tried handling it privately. Jim Bob would not cooperate. Good for Jill for exposing it.
Delete2:51 I think Jill has the right after her parents pressured her into doing a interview to defend her brother.
DeleteNo I wouldn’t but I didn’t put my kids on TV and „forced“ them even when they were married to open up their private moments like the birth of their child to the public… destroy their ministry on the mission field. Made them lie publicly about their brother josh… the whole situation is just sad…
Delete@2:53 I don't think Jill was pressured at that moment, not per se. She explains it more like she felt she was the only one who could "save" the family and the show, so it was sort of her idea in the moment to talk on camera. But what put that idea in her head were the years of pressure and emotional manipulation she had endured, so she was "forced" in that sense. I'm sure Jim Bob was relieved that Jill "volunteered."
DeleteWouldn't it be nice if Jinger and Jill donated some of the money they are making with their books to abused children. Hopefully they will or have done already.
ReplyDeleteThey are victims so it's going to good people.
DeleteJim Bob and Michelle certainly never did from any of the books they sold.
DeleteLol riiight
DeleteJill and Jinger are victims as well.
DeleteThey can save the money for their kids college education.
DeleteI finished the book this afternoon. So good!!!
ReplyDeleteI cannot agree with Jill. She is disloyal and does not honor her parents. She is making a big scene because it gets her attention and most of all the point is to sell her book and make lots of money. But she's sacrificed her parents on the alter to herself to achieve this.
ReplyDeleteWhat Jim Bob and Michelle did was to be the very best parents to their family that they could be and Jill has now attacked them. She's a dog. She has broken God's law. She is ungrateful. I'm not interested in her spirit of complaining. She is silly. Shes like the son who was always home when the father loved the returning prodigal son. Jill has been jealous for the love of a father and at the same time went to war against him.
@11:12 You're IBLP too, or something similar? Because nobody else would say those things.
DeleteHow so? She just told what happened to her. Perhaps she broke the family code of silence but her parents behaved badly and should be held accountable.
DeleteWhich Duggar are you?
DeleteJust imagine living through the things Jill has. She's been attacked enough. Try to show compassion for a person who has been deeply wounded by multiple family members, and is trying to heal. God does say that things done in secret will be brought into the light, and things certainly have. Your comments sound bitter not Christ-like. Calling a sa survivor a dog is just awful. And favoring the abuser over the victim is definitely not Christ-like. I just can't imagine the emotional pain Jill has suffered. Jill is strong and brave.
DeleteWell put. Jill doesn’t seem interested in healing, she does publicly show a spirit of complaining, not sure if all that counseling she said she received helped. She has put a wedge between herself and her siblings. Her current state of negativity does not represent a Christian who is seeking to honor our Lord and Savior.
DeleteJill's picture on the cover isn't the same sweet Jill she used to be. I see defiance in her eyes..creepy
DeleteGreat comment 11:12!
DeleteReally? I don’t agree. She is just speaking a truth that we didn’t experience
Delete@11:12 I disagree with you for several reasons. First, you must be honorable in order to earn honor from others. I see many instances of the parents being dishonorable. (Read the book.) Second, they were not the best parents they could be, and if they weren't so worried about their image and if they were as Godly as they claim, then they'd be the first to admit that publicly. (Read the book.) Third, why would Jill be "jealous for the love of a father" if she was getting the love she needed all along? Was love being given to her, or were orders, directives, threats, and deadlines given instead? (Read the book.) I also think it's very cruel to call her a "dog." Is that what you'd call anyone having trouble with their parents?
DeleteFollowing man-made rules that instilled fear was NOT the best they could do for their children. Arguably, they raised their children in a "Christian-adjacent cult." They should be called out for that, because the world was watching and many believed that they represented Biblical Christianity, when in fact they were far from it.
DeleteBy your logic if know a family member committed a crime it would be "disloyal" if you reported it to the police or gave any evidence in court that would help convict them. In the real world that's considered aiding and abetting a criminal.
DeleteWe saw "family loyalty" in action with Jim Bob's testimony in court during Josh's trial. IMO your defense of Jill's parents not what the Bible teaches.
DeleteTo be honest, I don't see how slamming Jill in this manner improves her parents' behavior.
DeleteIt's never too late to do the right thing. JB could sell some of his realestate and FINALLY pay those kids. Those tax returns he filed for them sounds like fraud...
ReplyDeleteThe truth of the matter is..and even discussed on their show..he invested the money into an LLC, and the other children have benefited in various ways including homes and property..remember they still have four girls at home to benefit from these investments. It appears Jill is the only one not happy with her $174,000.00 or $175,000.00 whatever it was.
DeleteOh please...are the kids living in poverty? Begging in the streets? No! They had nice vacations, nice weddings, jobs, etc..
DeleteI don't like the sound of those tax returns either, but I'm wondering who signed them after they were prepared by the family CPA? You have to sign your tax return when it's done before you send it off. Surely if Jill & Derick signed, they looked the return over first. Derick was an accountant before a lawyer! Were numbers changed on the tax returns AFTER Jill & Derick signed? That would be a huge no-no. I sure hope the IRS is looking into everything.
DeleteYou really think Jim Bob knows the meaning of "the right thing"? We're talking someone who let his sons drive when they were 11 or 12.
DeleteSo what, 9:56? They get the driving experience early.. doesn't mean he took them on the road at that age with other cars lol!!
Delete@4:56 So what? Lots of laws, that's what. Would you say that if the kids were underage smoking or drinking? "So what"
Delete@4:56 How many LAWS do you allow your kids to break, and which ones?
DeleteHey 4:56 I guess you didn't hear about the two 10 and 11 year old kids who took their mom's car in Florida recently and drove 200 miles before they were found and stopped. They were mad at their mom for taking away electronic devices, so they decided to hop in the car and drive to California. Would you say they were just getting driving experience?
DeleteWhat does the Holy Bible say ....don't attack each other like dogs ending in destroying each other. Why doesn't "mature", adult Jill take note of that. And I think the reason is lots of attention and lots of attention is money for her. But for pity sake this is supposed to be a family and it does break the laws of God, to treat one's parents and their life in such a way as she is doing, (in my opinion). Nobody's family is going to be without problems.
ReplyDelete"Nobody's family is going to be without problems" is NO excuse for creating problems in your own family the way Jim Bob did. Why shouldn't Jill want money? She learned about it from the person who wanted it the most.
DeleteYes I agree, well said.
DeleteJill is standing up for herself. There is a different between attacking and what Jill did.
DeleteI don't think Bible verses should be used to chastise someone when an unpleasant truth comes out. Jill is free to talk about her life and if her statements which have the ring of truth cause people to conclude her parents behaved badly so be it. IMO she did nothing wrong.
DeleteExactly 💯 she's taking her problems and airing them out but we're only seeing one side. Kudos to the parents for being so full of grace
DeleteThis family situation is way beyond problems. Perhaps it is time to let all of them retire to their private lives and for us to move on with ours.
DeleteBoy, this bothered you so much that you had to use the term "dog" twice? "Nobody's family is going to be without problems" - that doesn't mean you let the problems go and do nothing about them! Jill tried to resolve this other ways first. Jim Bob refused to cooperate. I say good for Jill for sticking up for herself and what she knows is right.
Delete@9:15 Funny you can call Jill immature but you can't seem to see that her parents' actions were just as immature if not worse. Did you read about the time Jill tried third party mediation with her father, and how her father absolutely erupted? What "mature" person does that? And how is anyone supposed to overlook that behavior? What is God's law for how you treat your children?
Delete9:15 I don't think you read the book. Jill is actually flattering to her parents in some parts. But in other parts, she does tell the truth about how they acted. She had to, to tell the whole story. Things happened to her, and her parents were at the center of it. She shouldn't be expected to hide that.
DeleteI don't understand why someone else writing a book gets you so upset. It's not your family. You don't have to read the book. @9:15
DeleteGood for Jill. It's time someone turned the spotlight on Jim Bob and Michelle who preached one thing and did another.
ReplyDeleteYup....Rules for thee but not for me.
DeleteI can't understand those who are putting Jill down for writing this book. Look at all the years her parents intruded on her privacy. She was filmed in her pajamas, lined up to use the bathroom. She was filmed the day she had her wisdom teeth out and was visibly upset. She was definitely filmed the first time she had a kiss with a boy. She had to share giving birth. Her father knew no boundaries! She was used to sell the family TV show and books without getting paid. Normal babysitting jobs for teenagers, she was expected to do for free. On top of all that, she had to go on TV to defend her brother who molested her, with him sitting there off camera. And now SHE'S the bad person for writing a book??!! Unbelievable anyone could think that way...unless they side with the Duggar parents for some personal reason...like this hits too close to home...
ReplyDeleteShe didn't have to kiss a boy on camera. Jessa chose to do it out of reach of the cameras. If Jill didn't think about it at the time, that's on her
DeleteOh come on! I sat for my siblings and didn't get paid! Please! Talk about Gen Z pansy talk!
DeleteWrong, 3:26. She was the first girl to marry. The pressure on her to deliver those ratings for her father by having the entire wedding televised was enormous. She talks about this in the book. There was no "opt out" for that kiss. The entire world was expecting to see a Duggar girl kiss a boy for the first time. People-pleaser Jill had to go along with it, for the sake of the show and her father. By the time Jessa got married, there was nothing that special about seeing a Duggar girl kiss.
DeleteThe greed of money is powerful. Your parent's loved you and did the best they can. Why would you attack them this way? What Josh did was horrific and I'm sorry that happened to you? You need to apologize to your parent's and stop all this drama over money.
ReplyDeleteThey did the best for Josh.
DeleteExactly! People forget that Josh was a kid when he did this
Delete@3:25 People (possibly you too) also forget there is a juvenile justice system that deals with juvenile offenders. They don't automatically get excused for what they do because they're under 18! You don't have the freedom to do whatever you want until you're 18! Josh would have experienced that part of the justice system had his parents done what was right at the time. Maybe it would have stopped him from being where he is today, had he had to deal with juvenile justice and punishment.
DeleteIs Jim Bob secretly Amish? Where I live the Amish fathers hire their kids out to work for local farmers. The kids do the work and the father collects and keeps the money they earned.
ReplyDeleteIBLP is worse than the Amish.
DeleteJim Bob is not Amish, or else his kids would have had their rumspringa. I could just see that happening in his household...
DeleteI still care for the whole family. Hopefully you be able to heal from all this negativity.
ReplyDeleteI liked Jill's book and I'm glad she spoke frankly about what was really going on in the family. I don't think anyone should cover up wrongdoing by another family member due to a mistaken sense of loyalty. Look what happened when everyone covered for his initial wrongdoing. It led to even more bad behavior and affected far more people.
ReplyDeleteIt really hurts to read how people are being so hostile towards Jill, saying how she isn't honoring her parents, and is going against what the bible says. People forget that Jill is a daughter of the Lord, whom he loves very much. The Lord must be absolutely crushed to see how her and her sisters were treated. Not only were they the victims of inexcusable abuse, they were forced to defend their abuser on TV with him in the room. How come no one points out how her parents themselves were incredibly sinful and going against God's word? It's time we stop attacking the victim and actually holding those responsible accountable. I would bet any money that if the victim speaking out wasn't Jill Dillard from 19 Kids and Counting, people would feel for the victim and listen to their story with more open hearts.
ReplyDelete4:10 I think very few people are being hostile towards Jill. Probably just one or two posting the same stuff repeatedly. The rest agree with you. The one(s) who defend(s) Jim Bob and Michelle is/are probably caught up in a cult-like religion as the Duggars are and can't see the bad parenting because of that.
DeleteWhat do you mean bad parenting? These children had a good home, medical and dental care, taught their education, taught music, taught and attended a Bible based Christian religion. Had daily Bible reading and prayer, learned and sang worship songs. We're fed lots of good food and had lots of play time. They were given parties and celebrations. They had loving grand parents there. They got to visit other children. They were given good values about marriage and helped to find and marry their spouses. There is just too much to list. How can anyone say bad parenting, that is just plain rediculous. There is no basis in reality for such a stupid, ungrateful, parent dishonoring comment.
DeletePeople say these are Jim Bob and Michelle, likers, comments. But those two do deserve all the love and respect they get for the wonderful parents they are.
Really I feel sorry for people who keep snarking and defaming because they lack appreciation for Godliness, righteousness and goodness.
@8:32 Even abused children can come from homes where all that and more is given to them. Ask any social worker. Little of any of those things you mentioned mean anything compared to negative actions and hurtful words from parents. Jill had those. I doubt anyone pointing that out lacks appreciation for goodness. Quite the opposite.
DeleteI have read many stories of quiverfull families and IBLP -families who have had big problems in their family. One of the main reasons is usually the amount of power given to the father as a head of the family. Books like Created to be his helpmeet promote unhealthy leadership in the family. Instead leading your family with a Christ like attitude in love and humbleness, it promotes this awful patriarchial tyranny. What ever the husband does, wife must be onboard. Husbands needs and wants come first. Very few people have such a strong moral compass that this kind of power will not corrupt them.
ReplyDeleteMany (now adults) children who have spoken against IBLP state that for abusive parents IBLP was like winning the lottery. They now had the Bible teachings backing them up that it's okay to create a home environment of fear and abuse. I'm not saying that this is the case of the Duggars, they really seem to love each other. I think many started out wanting best for their family, but Bill Gothard made fathers into mini cult leaders. Honoring your parent doesn't mean that it's okay for the parents to control their children. Especially the girls in the movement had very little choices and it makes me really sad. Jim Bob's behaviour reflects that he hasn't been given feedback about his behaviour, he hasn't been held accountable for his actions for a long time. That leads to narcissistic behaviour. I can't believe that he chose his pedophile son and the tv show over his daughters. There is a epidemic of sexual abuse towards women and girls in patriarchal christianity in USA. It won't chance if things are brushed under the rug of "privacy".
So frightening.
DeleteDescribe Patriarchy.. it is NOT and I repeat...NOT abusive to submit to your husband as he is the LEADER of the household as Christ lead the Church
Delete@3:24 Too many men take that as carte blanche to do what they want to do with no accountability. And too many women put up with it.
DeleteJill is NOT a victim. Everyone has some bad experiences that's life. Jill was raised right by her parents and led to a good marriage. She fully loved talking a lot on the series. She's just seem where some attention and money is and nothing gonna stop her and she is shameless.
ReplyDeleteGlad to see there are rational people here. I agree
DeleteWhat do you call someone that is abused by another? A victim.
DeleteI can't believe 4:57's comment was even allowed to be posted. Jill not a victim. Hello!
DeleteHer parents would disagree with you. Recall Jimbob and Michelle both referred to Jill and Jessa as victims of Josh. She also was a victim of theft and fraud by her own father, according to her account. You’re free to your opinion but you can’t change the definition of words.
DeleteShe’s not a victim?! She was sexually abused by her brother. She most certainly is a victim. Only someone loyal to Jim Bob would say that.
DeleteReally? How would you feel if that happened to you, your daughter or granddaughter? Would you blow it off? Abused by her brother, paraded around on tv to talk about it with him present. Maybe Jill talking about it will give others in abuse situations the courage to report it.
DeleteA bit of crossed boundaries in the household as the children grow is not something to exaggerate as it has been. Those girls are victims of exaggeration, sensationalism, hysteria, unreasonable and irrational treatment on the topic of how the sibling got curious and dealt with their impulses but really this is just childhood growth stuff not victim. If you want to spin it that way they are just victims of spin. I'd say we are all victims of Jill as she spun a great tale to tell, a tale bearer.
DeleteWhy don't some of you commenters read the Holy Bible instead of Jill's book. One parable Jesus told is of the unforgiving servant, read that. Read about how love brings fellowship and love over looks an offense. Read how when Noah was in a less than presentable position his sons would not look on him but went into him backwards with a cloak to cover him up. But the other son who made a big exposition of this faux pas of his father's was cursed. Read how God's mercy is new every morning. Read that even though your sin be as scarlet you shall be washed whiter than snow. Read God remembers the sin no more.
DeleteRead many more things that minimize sin raise fellowship and forget guilt.
It is the devil who fishes for things to bring back and accuse the forgiven with.
@4:24 I could site many MANY places in the Bible I think Jim Bob should read but hasn't......
Delete@8:19 Did you just call documented repeated sexual abuse of minors "crossed boundaries," "curiosity," and "impulses"? I can't believe it. That means our entire judicial system and its laws go right out the window because crimes are, with that opinion, merely exaggeration, sensationalism, hysteria, and so on. What if this had happened to you or your daughter and somebody called it that? By the way, didn't you catch what happened later with the person who did all this in the Duggar household?? I guess the 160,000 or so men currently in prison for such crimes only wandered across a "boundary." Let them free? It's just tales?
Delete8:19 Wow, you think what Josh did to 4 of his sisters and another girl was normal childhood growth stuff? How scary to think that way. It was s----- assault. It was worse than we all first thought, after details came out in court from someone who had put their hand on the Bible and swore to tell the truth. Left untreated properly, Josh's problem and his proclivity to break laws escalated until the woman he had "an affair" with attempted to sue him for what happened and how it happened. Then it grew to downloading some of the worst videos and photos that Homeland Security had ever seen. None of that is curiosity, or exaggerated. Jill was an early victim, but what happened to her was publicly downplayed. I'm sure the older she got, the more she felt violated as a child, with no vindication. We know who was behind downplaying this and why. The same person who couldn't remember it later when asked in court.
DeleteIn her "entertainment tonight" interview Jill said she did not say much on the topic in her book. Because there wasn't much to say. She knows she's playing the big victim on not a big basis. This is casual family stuff, something families go through so what? So nothing. Whatever else happens later did not happen then. Let it go as really just an incident to play right but not overplay.
DeleteJill wants to make a big deal of herself so she's over acting everything. For money, ok, get the point.
A comment about not over dramatizing family stuff to which people get more dramatic, more hysterical, heap on more arguements. I guess people just get convinced by the excess of spin and if one tries to talk them down they respond with much more instead of being calmed. The Bible says in the last days they are inconsolable.
DeleteI didn't even know Nightline was still on the air! It was on when I was a kid.
ReplyDeleteIt began during the Iran hostage crisis in early 1980. I remember distinctly. My husband was in the military then, deployed, and things in the Middle East were brewing. I was really worried he wasn't ever coming home. Our first-born was very young. Scary times.
DeleteI admire your courage and support you 100%, Jill!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteI don’t understand. Doesn’t Jim Bob gift his grown children a home when they get married? To me that is the same as getting paid.
ReplyDeleteNo houses any more, not since that old "mold house" (Jessa sold) and the Grandma Mary log cabin that got moved onto JB's property for Joe & Kendra. Some did get land, no house. Some have gotten a little money but not until Jill was getting a lawyer involved. Oh, and there's Anna in the "warehome" but she's probably either there or in the big house for safekeeping, not for ownership. Jana got a shed. One of the boys got the treehouse!
DeleteHe is controlling where they live. Why not give them what they have earned and they can buy a house that they choose?
DeleteI heard Anna moved closer to where Josh is
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