Happy 55th birthday 🎂🎈🎁 Michelle Duggar. I hope you have a wonderful day today. May God bless you and your family members and extended family members. I love♥️ your family and I miss you and everyone and I am praying for you. I am also praying for another spin off of the Duggars to come back on cable tv with a new show new seasons. can you and Jim bob hopefully make that happen would My best day and also excited ❣️ thank you both. I'm just so devastated losing the show. please Lillie and Ellie keep the Duggar family blog & Bates family blog going, thank you. Natasha b
I hope there is NO spin off with JimBob and Michelle controlling any part of a show like that. Would LOVE a show with Jinger and Jeremy… Love that Jinger and Jeremy are putting their family and Christ 1st in their lives. You can see that he treats Jinger with love and respect and always praises her… Love this family.
I'm sorry you're so upset over the cancellation of the show. I doubt there will be another Duggar related show to replace it. Perhaps you need to pray that you will find something else to enjoy.
They can't make something happen if no one is willing to take them on, and I don't think anyone is going to do that. Josh sealed their fate with his terrible decisions. I hope you can find something else to watch that you enjoy just as much!
8:25, Josh is innocent, in a court of law, until proven guilty. That’s quite different than actually being innocent. Many times people guilty of crimes don’t have to pay the price because a jury didn’t feel the evidence was strong enough to convict.
I think you need to face the realization that they probably won't be back. Too much has come out about this family. The main thing is Josh. But, there are other things. Plus, I don't believe a lot of the adult children are interested in TV at this time. The ones who want To are doing YouTube. This family needs time to heal, to get some professional help, and time away from the public eye.
I for one would not watch a Jinger and Jeremy show. Since moving to California, their egos have inflated. They are not the type of people I would want to influence my life about Christ. Yes, Jeremy is studying to be an advanced pastor. Yes, they follow Christ. Yes, they talk about Christ. A lot of people do. However, speaking of Him and saying you’re a follower is good and all, but actions are just as strong. All I have seen from them, more so Jeremy, is showing off. That attitude is just not my cup of tea coming from a “pastor” and his wife. We all can show off all the material things we have or buy, but there comes a time when you need to grow up. It’s just not a good look.
8:45 - You are actually wrong about that. He is technically innocent until they present any actual evidence that it wasn't someone that sent him those photos through a attached email that wad sent by some disgusting person. Even innocent people get falsely convicted which is why I never do jury duty because its not my place to judge. People can be framed and I send a person in prison for life for something they didn't do. We have to realize our system is not perfect and filled with liars. And I hope you never have to deal with that when you grow up.
4:14 It IS your place to judge, or at least to sit on a jury and try to come to a unanimous decision along with the other jurors. Our judicial system is based on having a jury of your peers. That was critical to our founding fathers - peers! If you send an innocent person to prison for life, there are going to be reviews and appeals from lawyers, so jurors do not have to fret that. They are charged with listening to evidence from both sides and then deciding. And since you brought it up...speaking of a system "filled with liars"... Lawyers are masters at manipulating truths to fit their clients' needs, done so skillfully that it comes out looking like a trial. Well, you get my drift. As far as an e-mail attachment, that is unlikely given the nature of how you access what was downloaded, and how it was on a partitioned side of the computer. But you'll hear about that later. We've only gotten glimpses of what evidence the prosecution has and what the defense has to say about it. Stay tuned.
4:14, seeing as how I’m 65 I feel like I’m already grown up. I stand by my comment. He might be guilty & still not have to face the consequences because a jury of his peers didn’t feel there was enough evidence. All I’m saying is that doesn’t mean he isn’t guilty( he might be completely innocent) Only he & God know the answer to that.
4:14 I’ve read the court documents. The feds have the evidence. BTW, if you never do jury duty, someone has to take your place. It’s ok for others to be put in a position of deciding someone’s guilt or innocence, but not you?
4:14 - not serving on a jury because it isn’t your “place to judge,” is a cop-out. You sound fair-minded and to not serve only perpetuates the problem. If all reasonable people failed to served, juries would only consist of biased people. Don’t hide behind a self-imposed “restriction. Do the right thing.
@8:45. The authorities did not charge someone who innocently "clicked" on an email. Those people are not on the radar of the authorities; it is the people who frequent dark web websites and who are MAJOR down loaders of this material. The authorities take these charges VERY seriously. That is why they take there time investigating.
Your comment to @8:45 about growing up is not called for. Yes, there has been cases of innocent people being convicted. But Josh Duggar is NOT a poor black man with poor legal representation. He is white man, in a conservative State, with good legal representation.
NO ONE is framing Josh. Josh. The Duggars are NOT that important. I suggest that you do not assume that "posters" should "grow up" when a poster posts a true observation of the jury system. There has been people who are actually guilty but have "gotten" off because the evidence was weak. They had skilled lawyers. Instead, you should pray that Josh finally gets the help he needs to overcome his addiction.
4:14 You never "do" jury duty? Do you realize that as a citizen of the US (if you are one), it's your obligation to report for jury duty and serve on a jury if chosen? It's how you uphold the Sixth Amendment and insure fair and impartial trials for everyone. You can't take advantage of some of the Bill of Rights and overlook your obligations for the other parts. Although if you say certain things when being interviewed during the voir dire portion of the trial (the picking of the jurors), the lawyers could dismiss you as being unsuitable or not impartial. But that is the only valid way to get out of actually sitting on a jury if you are called for jury duty, you have no physical excuse to keep you from reporting to the courthouse on your given day, and you are chosen to sit on a jury. It IS your place to do that. It's the foundation of our trial by jury system, the backbone of our legal system.
@8:48 Please remind Josh that God knows the truth and Josh himself does too. Maybe he wouldn't be running up such a legal bill for his father to pay if he would remember to tell the truth. He has had a problem in the past applying that concept.
The Duggar’s did not “choose” to take a “step back” from reality tv as someone on this post suggested. They were “officially dropped” by TLC after another Josh Duggar scandal. So it’s highly unlikely that another network would pick them up again as you suggest
10:37, if the feds have the evidence that are going to block that out. They are still investigating Josh. They can't give everything away until court time.
1:20, no it was cancelled like their other show for the time being like they did with 19 kids and counting. They will come back in a new spinoff. They always do.
@9:11 Corrections. The Feds are not still investigating Josh. They did that before the business raid, then they amassed that evidence to present for the grand jury indictment and then the arrest. Also, they have to disclose things to the defense before court time. They've been going through the disclosure phase of the upcoming trial during spring and summer 2021.
A jury can't convict someone in a death sentence trial without a judge having the authority to overturn the verdict (commute it to life without parole) or an automatic appeal process starting. Possibly having to make that decision on a jury is no reason to say you'll never serve jury duty. Most cases aren't murder cases anyway. Plus most cases can be appealed if the defendant's lawyers want to do that.
The Duggars did not decide to step back or take a break. TLC dropped them and made a public statement of such. We could debate all day over what went wrong and why. Actually I think the dropping of the show taught a bigger lesson than the show itself ever did. This is what happens when everyone overlooks and misrepresents the truth, network and family. Powerful lesson.
9:07 I don't know of anyone that particularly relishes the idea of jury duty, but how do you expect our judicial system to work without it? Someone has to determine guilty or innocence. It might not be a perfect system, but it's better that it's a jury of one's peers, rather than any alternative.
If you won’t even fulfill your jury duty responsibility, maybe you should sacrifice some of your other rights as well. That’s only fair to your fellow citizens. And don’t worry. You will never be the one person to send a prisoner to their execution. There are too many checks and balances for that. That’s just an excuse.
If you won't do jury duty, you shouldn't vote. The Duggars didn't step back, TLC dropped them. Too much has come out about this family, I doubt very much if they'll come back. Natasha, you need to find a new program to watch or maybe your parents can buy you the DVD's.
I agree, 2:42 and 10:27. Democracy has duties for all of us. It's not something given for free. You can't take part of it and not do what you need to for the other parts.
I've been called for jury duty twice. First time, it was a shoplifting case, not exactly death row I would have had to decide. I couldn't serve for that trial because it turned out I knew the store manager where the shoplifting happened! The defense lawyers dismissed me as "biased" when picking the jurors. But I showed up for duty and went through the process like I was supposed to. The second time, I was undergoing a series of medical treatments and could not serve that day. But again, I would have gone if I could have. It's everyone's duty. If you ever have a trial yourself, you'll be glad that your peers showed up to complete the process with you.
I am so thankful that my country does not have the death penalty. The last time it was used was 1963; officially abolished in 1976. We also have sentencing guidelines for various crimes. There is no latitude for first degree murder. It is an automatic sentence. So, all the juries have to do is decided if a person is guilty or not. It also helps that prosecutors here are NOT political, elected positions. They are non-partisans, tasked with the application of the current law of the land.
Someone posted that lawyers are liars and manipulators. That person has been watching too much TV. Lawyers are suppose to defend their clients, to make sure their client gets a fair hearing.
@11:07 Lawyers defend their clients by downplaying or omitting some chosen information and using and emphasizing other information. You could say in a broad way that that is manipulating things. They take the focus off some facts, place it on others, and try to introduce doubt for the jury. A "fair" hearing is what they make of it. The prosecution does the same things from their side. It's a matching of wits sometimes. I think we'll see examples of this in the trial in November.
I have found that most people who says this kind of stuff are actually the ones that throw away their jury duty letter and complain about politics but don't actually vote lol... I see right through ya'll.
@2:32 the one time I was called I went. Didn't get chosen for one case because I knew the defendant. But, I went. We had to report for three or four days I don't remember, but it wasn't bad. One judge actually told us a little history about the county I live in. As Americans it's your duty. Since they now use your driver's license and not your voter registration (at least in PA) maybe they should suspend your license for a while if you don't serve. Some people do have valid reasons why they can't serve, but to not want to judge someone isn't one of them. A jury doesn't have the final say on whether someone lives or dies.
@5:35 what victim? Josh isn't the victim, those poor innocent children are. No one is persecuting Josh or the Duggars. I think what would make a good tv special for TLC would be Jill and Derrick or Jinger and Jeremy.
Over the years I've served on three juries. It was not difficult to come to what I considered a fair decision based on the evidence presented to the jury. If people don't serve on juries because they don't want the responsibility that is unfair to the people who are being tried. If I were on trial I would want to have a jury of my peers making the decision. Making lame excuses not to serve does everyone a disservice.
thank you everyone for the rousing jury duty discussion. LOL You all reminded me- I was called for jury duty several years ago, but as I home schooled our daughter, they exempted me for the duration of our home schooling. We've finished up now and I need to notify them to include me again for jury duty. It is a responsibility, privilege, duty, and right to serve and participate in the judicial process. By doing our part and committing to be honest and fair, upright in our dealings, we're helping ensure that the accused gets a fair trial.
Question. Why does Alert have boys wear what looks like police uniforms? I don't understand the agenda of that program. It's not really been defined for the public, has it. Obviously the Duggars buy into whatever it is though.
So I personally wouldn't send my kids to anything related to Bill Gothard, but from reading their website (where it actually is defined for the public) it looks like a program that teaches both spiritual and practical skills. It's loosely based on the Marines, according to the website, which would account for the use of uniforms. Apparently they find it valuable enough to fork out the money for their kids, like I find piano lessons valuable enough to fork out the money for my three kids. It's not really "buying into" anything, per se, as much as it is investing in their kids to whatever extent they find value in the program. It would be interesting to hear what their guys thought of it.
How about you go to the website and do the research yourself? There is different programs like Alert where boys and girls wear what looks to be army uniforms but their not.
Happy Birthday Mrs. Duggar/Michelle. Your children are very fortunate to have you as an example and the influence of a Godly Mother and Godly Grandmother to your many Grands and perhaps one day a Great Grandma. Like Grandma Mary Duggar was. Jim Bob is a very fortunate man to have you as a wife. He's a fine example to me as a Christian Man. He also has favor from the Lord for a wife like you. Blessings
Must be nice to have a 55th birthday and have a stable marriage, financial rewarding, 19 children, 21 grandchild and 2 on the way! Happy birthday Michelle!!
I feel very fortunate that at the age of 68, I have a stable marriage, financial security and 2 wonderful children and their spouses who have all given us every reason to be proud! With the Duggar's present circumstances, I have only pity for Michelle.
I also have a stable family and everything else there too, achieved without my life or my family's life having to be on TV or all over the media for everyone to pick apart. Would I trade that for what Michelle has and how she got it? Ha.
Anon 1:24 PM: Ok, but it is not your birthday that we talk about here! People congratulate Michelle Duggar on her life achievements of having a stable family, wonderful loving husband, 19 children, over 20 grandchildren.
Nobody needs to point that out. The original comment was about the blessings in Michelle's life, since this is a post about her birthday. Nobody needs to feel defensive about their own lives.
People were only commenting on how life can be full and happy without having 19 kids. Sometimes people here are too quick to equate life's bounty with how many kids one has, as if having more kids guarantees more happiness. As 5:37 said, it doesn't always do that.
Wow -- These comments are crazy. People take things so personally -- or maybe you all want to feel superior? Yeah -- we all get that Michelle has some heartache in her life, but this post is a time to celebrate her birthday. Sheesh!
Happy birthday to you, oh happy birthday to you Every day of the year, may you feel Jesus near Happy birthday to you, oh happy birthday to you And the best year you've ever had!
10:19 - Songs don't always have to rhyme because if that was the case we have to follow more strict rules of A and 1 codes where even our names would have to rhyme with our family names.
She has the money and the fashion-conscious daughters to help her if she chooses to do so. Apparently she is satisfied with her hair and clothes. She doesn't have to please random internet strangers.
I live around lots of Amish folks and they are the happiest,most peace filled, content people you could ever know. I learned through watching and being around them that the true riches in life are the simpler things in life which sets them free from vanity and the pursuit of riches. They would chuckle if they ever heard someone say get yourself a new hair cut and a new wardrobe for your Birthday. lol. We could all learn lessons from the Amish like having a good work ethic, loving God, loving others, living a quieter life and realizing that joy and contentment isn't achieved by material things but by a good honorable life in Christ. I'm working on myself with the help of God to become as peaceful and content as my Amish neighbors are.
@2:44 Part of my father's first job was to work with the Amish, not beside them in the field or barn, but to help them settle land disputes, estates, and things like that. When family farm land was divided and divided between sons and generations until shares that were left were barely large enough to be profitable, there were bound to be disputes and estate dealings that needed to be straightened out. Let me tell you, the Amish are no different than the rest of us when it comes to emotions like anger or feelings of greed and pride, especially with land ownership. My father saw it all. What you're describing in your comment is what you, the public, might see from afar. What goes on at home behind closed doors (or in a law office) is another matter. The Amish are also known for allowing their teens "rumspringa" or a time when rules are relaxed and the teens can experience the outside world and all it has in it, including things like alcohol, driving cars, and using technology. Life can be anything but "quiet" during that period. Beyond that, unfortunately, domestic abuse (along with other types) does happen in Amish families. Fortunately my father did not have to deal with that aspect of Amish life, but living where we did, we heard stories on the news, when news like that could even leak out. While being peaceful and content is a nice goal for you to have, Amish life should not be completely romanticized because it paints a picture that's not completely true. I hope this post gives everyone some more insight on the Amish.
I think treating herself to a hair salon day and new clothes would be a great way to celebrate a birthday. We Moms tend to neglect ourselves and do so much for others, as I know Michelle does.
@2:44 While I agree that it is the simple things in life that matter the most and that there are things we can learn from the Amish, they do still have their own set of problems within their own society. Personally, I would not want to live in such a restrictive and patriarchal environment, where formal education ends at the end of eighth grade.
Hello. This thread stuck out to me. I left the Amish four years ago. Please, I beg everyone, do not envy their life. Their dedication to community is beautiful. The slow pace. The constant surrounding of nature and people you know. That is all beautiful, and I miss it terribly. Yes, the people appear peaceful and happy. But that is a requirement of the church. It is not usually genuine. But it is now my mission to expose what is hidden, so that it can help others get free. The Anabaptist world is full to the brim with abuses. Sexual abuse effects 4/5 Anabaptist girls and 3/5 boys—figures anecdotally gathered by counselors and psychologists who serve former Anabaptist populations. It is against Anabaptist church teachings to expose an abuser to the legal authorities and doing so will get you excommunicated. It is sickeningly common for the males (father, brothers, etc) to molest or rape the girls of the family. They have certain loopholes to excuse it, such as “leaving her dress on means it isn’t fornication,” or “doing it before the girl is 10 means it isn’t intercourse,” etc. Please do research all of the abuses that ARE FINALLY coming to light in the mainstream world. Google Gideon Miller, Aaron and Petie Schwartz, the death of Sasha Krausse at the hands of an ex-Menno, Mary and James Mast, etc. PLEASE Google The Plain People’s Podcast—a resource full of former Anabaptists telling the gruesome stories of their childhood abuses. Please get on Facebook and look up A Better Way, Splash 4 Ripples, By Thy Words, etc. These are organizations created to serve those leaving the terrors of the Amish and Mennonite churches.
Please do not reject my comment, Lily and Ellie, because I do find it burdensome that these truths be known.
7:22's message is probably the most important one we've ever had here. Thanks for posting that. Think about what she said and how it could apply to other places you know of, too. It's time everyone stopped looking the other way while girls' and women's lives are ruined.
@7:22 Years ago I read that the Amish are known for animal cruelty. Anyone interested can Google it. There is no perfect society. Everyone has problems of some kind.
None of you have the right facts about the Amish and Mennonites. You need to go actually meet them instead of what non-Amish and non-Mennonites write about them.
I actually know an ex-Amish lady and we've been friends with several Mennonite families over the years. Outward rules don't change, and will never change, human nature. Both societies (all the sects contained within each), if they're willing to be honest before God and man, will admit that...but many will not. I live in a very heavily Mennonite populated city/county (with an extensive network of Mennonite organizations/businesses/schools & A University), my husband was employed by an Old-Order Mennonite for years. Not trying to slam them, but if these were the only Mennonites and Amish people, I'd never have any dealings or relationship with any of them again. I am sure (and have to believe) that not all are like this though. Based on my experiences and what is taught in the University in my area, they are both very works-based, rules-oriented religions, based heavily on the traditions of men to the point of denying actual Bible verses (a female professor at the Mennonite University here was teaching her students that God is a "she"). It is more important to them to "keep the old ways" and "honor" their ancestors, than to read and follow the actual Word of God. So, I was estatic and thrilled to recently see "The Ex-Amish of Maywood, MO" by Growing Tree Productions on YouTube, to see and hear their beautiful testimonies of finding Christ.
@2:32 how can you say that when some of the people making statements are ex Amish? I was the one that posted about animal cruelty, it was directed at dogs. They are known for having puppy Mills. Look it up.There is a large Amish community in the county next to the one I live in. Also, a few others across the state I live in.
8:41, agreed. I cringe at the reality shows, movies and books now that I actually met them. They aren't what people say and shows like breaking amish is so fake.
Been having some internet issues so my msg is somewhat late. However, I hope Michelle had a lovely birthday with all her family & grandchildren around her. I’m sure as stressful as life is atm for her she still had time to enjoy her special day, at least I hope she did.
3:37, I am very sure that Mary does indeed know that. However, she was not saying anything about the Amish or Mennonites. She just identifies herself as a Mennonite.
At 11:33 I'm sure they're confused as to why Mary Keim always identifies herself as Mennonite. It seems like most of the people on this blog are Christians, but they don't announce themselves by name and write Christian after it
There are some mean people on this blog. Who cares if someone wants to identify as a Mennonite. I could post that I'm a Mainline Protestant. My mom taught me if you don't have something nice to say, don't say it. In this case don't post it.
Not half-Mennonite here, but having known a lot of Mennonites, one can be half-Mennonite by being raised Mennonite, but not internalizing all the beliefs and daily practices of that faith for themselves peronally. They may simply just "look" or "act" Mennonite (for example, dressing Old Order if they're in an Old Order sect or complying with societal expectations if they're in a more progressive sect) when they're with their families/other Mennonites. Or a person may consider themselves half-Mennonite if one parent is Mennonite and the other is not, or if there are Mennonites in their family tree while they themselves are not Mennonite.
I was a Nationwide Mennonite. It is a very conservative conference. You cannot be “half Mennonite.” To be a Mennonite is to be absorbed by a culture. You cannot “sort of” be one. You are in it, or you aren’t. There are no half Mennonites.
@2:57 I'm the Anonymous @9:42 and I stand by my original comment. I know quite a few people who "identify" as Mennonite by birth because their parents or the vast majority of their ancestors were Mennonite, but they themselves aren't so sold on it. Yet, if you divided the room into Mennonite and non-Mennonite, they'd stand on the Mennonite side. LOL That's half-Mennonite. Living in the Shenandoah Valley of VA, I can tell you there are a ton of half-Mennonites here, going along to get along. Their family ties are there, they've been raised in the culture, and do all the things "good" Mennonites are supposed to do (in Church every Sunday, attend conferences & camps, participate in the Relief Sales, live simply, support other Mennonite-owned businesses, contribute time/money/goods to the Mennonite-network organizations, etc.), but many are Mennonite simply because their parents were/are-it's what they know, not what they actually believe and chose for themselves. Many know they'll be socially cut off if they don't go along-not quite as severe as the Old Order Amish ban-but definitely socially shunned.
so sad to hear there will be no more counting on. the family inspire all to live happy decent lives, love to all and help to those in need. Hopefully the family wi;; have blogs. Blessings to you all.
Agreeing with Anonymous @7:47. Just past the half-century mark here and the longer I live, the more I understand why God instructs us to be busy with our hands, mind our own homes and families, and mind our own business and personal lives, working out our salvation with reverent fear...instead of idolizing people who seem to look like (or we think) have it all together. We shouldn't be following other human beings-they're flawed too (and sometimes in bigger ways than we are). It's fine to pray for them (and we should), but it's not okay to emulate them and try to be like them. We're made in God's image, not Michelle's or Jim Bob's (not trying to be offensive to them).
7:47 p.m. God instructs us? Really? It's so hard for me to be religious when I'm told that someone is monitoring my every move. Who thought this up and why do so many people believe it? Not trying to be mean . . . . just want to know. I
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Happy Birthday, Michelle. Hope you have an awesome day and a blessed year.🎂🎈
ReplyDeleteHappy Birthday to Michelle. I hope you get something nice for your birthday.
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ReplyDeleteHappy late 55th BDAY Mrs D.
Hope she had a good one.
ReplyDeleteHappy Birthday Michelle! Watched you fron the beginning! Wishing you and your family a bjessed year ahead!
ReplyDeleteHappy 55th birthday 🎂🎈🎁 Michelle Duggar. I hope you have a wonderful day today. May God bless you and your family members and extended family members. I love♥️ your family and I miss you and everyone and I am praying for you. I am also praying for another spin off of the Duggars to come back on cable tv with a new show new seasons. can you and Jim bob hopefully make that happen would My best day and also excited ❣️ thank you both. I'm just so devastated losing the show. please Lillie and Ellie keep the Duggar family blog & Bates family blog going, thank you. Natasha b
ReplyDeleteI hope there is NO spin off with JimBob and Michelle controlling any part of a show like that. Would LOVE a show with Jinger and Jeremy… Love that Jinger and Jeremy are putting their family and Christ 1st in their lives. You can see that he treats Jinger with love and respect and always praises her… Love this family.
DeleteI'm sorry you're so upset over the cancellation of the show. I doubt there will be another Duggar related show to replace it. Perhaps you need to pray that you will find something else to enjoy.
DeleteThey can't make something happen if no one is willing to take them on, and I don't think anyone is going to do that. Josh sealed their fate with his terrible decisions. I hope you can find something else to watch that you enjoy just as much!
DeleteThe Duggars will come back because it's not the victims fault. They are taking a break from TV right now.
Delete(8:48 AM) What Josh did (innocent until proven guilty) did not seal their fate. They chose to take a step back and could eventually come back to TV.
Delete8:25, Josh is innocent, in a court of law, until proven guilty. That’s quite different than actually being innocent. Many times people guilty of crimes don’t have to pay the price because a jury didn’t feel the evidence was strong enough to convict.
Delete5:32, what “victims” are you talking about? Are you implying they are somehow victims? Josh is a victim? Your response is puzzling at best.
DeleteI think you need to face the realization that they probably won't be back. Too much has come out about this family. The main thing is Josh. But, there are other things. Plus, I don't believe a lot of the adult children are interested in TV at this time. The ones who want To are doing YouTube. This family needs time to heal, to get some professional help, and time away from the public eye.
DeleteI for one would not watch a Jinger and Jeremy show. Since moving to California, their egos have inflated. They are not the type of people I would want to influence my life about Christ. Yes, Jeremy is studying to be an advanced pastor. Yes, they follow Christ. Yes, they talk about Christ. A lot of people do. However, speaking of Him and saying you’re a follower is good and all, but actions are just as strong. All I have seen from them, more so Jeremy, is showing off. That attitude is just not my cup of tea coming from a “pastor” and his wife. We all can show off all the material things we have or buy, but there comes a time when you need to grow up. It’s just not a good look.
DeleteI really don't think so, 8:25. For a show to come back not once, but twice, after a third scandal, seems very unlikely.
Delete@11:17 You said precisely what others are thinking too.
Delete8:45 - You are actually wrong about that. He is technically innocent until they present any actual evidence that it wasn't someone that sent him those photos through a attached email that wad sent by some disgusting person. Even innocent people get falsely convicted which is why I never do jury duty because its not my place to judge. People can be framed and I send a person in prison for life for something they didn't do. We have to realize our system is not perfect and filled with liars. And I hope you never have to deal with that when you grow up.
Delete4:14 It IS your place to judge, or at least to sit on a jury and try to come to a unanimous decision along with the other jurors. Our judicial system is based on having a jury of your peers. That was critical to our founding fathers - peers! If you send an innocent person to prison for life, there are going to be reviews and appeals from lawyers, so jurors do not have to fret that. They are charged with listening to evidence from both sides and then deciding. And since you brought it up...speaking of a system "filled with liars"... Lawyers are masters at manipulating truths to fit their clients' needs, done so skillfully that it comes out looking like a trial. Well, you get my drift. As far as an e-mail attachment, that is unlikely given the nature of how you access what was downloaded, and how it was on a partitioned side of the computer. But you'll hear about that later. We've only gotten glimpses of what evidence the prosecution has and what the defense has to say about it. Stay tuned.
Delete4:14, seeing as how I’m 65 I feel like I’m already grown up. I stand by my comment. He might be guilty & still not have to face the consequences because a jury of his peers didn’t feel there was enough evidence. All I’m saying is that doesn’t mean he isn’t guilty( he might be completely innocent) Only he & God know the answer to that.
Delete(4:14) EXACTLY! People need to stop now!
Delete4:14 I’ve read the court documents. The feds have the evidence. BTW, if you never do jury duty, someone has to take your place. It’s ok for others to be put in a position of deciding someone’s guilt or innocence, but not you?
Delete4:14 - not serving on a jury because it isn’t your “place to judge,” is a cop-out. You sound fair-minded and to not serve only perpetuates the problem. If all reasonable people failed to served, juries would only consist of biased people. Don’t hide behind a self-imposed “restriction. Do the right thing.
Delete@8:45. The authorities did not charge someone who innocently "clicked" on an email. Those people are not on the radar of the authorities; it is the people who frequent dark web websites and who are MAJOR down loaders of this material. The authorities take these charges VERY seriously. That is why they take there time investigating.
DeleteYour comment to @8:45 about growing up is not called for. Yes, there has been cases of innocent people being convicted. But Josh Duggar is NOT a poor black man with poor legal representation. He is white man, in a conservative State, with good legal representation.
NO ONE is framing Josh. Josh. The Duggars are NOT that important. I suggest that you do not assume that "posters" should "grow up" when a poster posts a true observation of the jury system. There has been people who are actually guilty but have "gotten" off because the evidence was weak. They had skilled lawyers. Instead, you should pray that Josh finally gets the help he needs to overcome his addiction.
4:14 You never "do" jury duty? Do you realize that as a citizen of the US (if you are one), it's your obligation to report for jury duty and serve on a jury if chosen? It's how you uphold the Sixth Amendment and insure fair and impartial trials for everyone. You can't take advantage of some of the Bill of Rights and overlook your obligations for the other parts. Although if you say certain things when being interviewed during the voir dire portion of the trial (the picking of the jurors), the lawyers could dismiss you as being unsuitable or not impartial. But that is the only valid way to get out of actually sitting on a jury if you are called for jury duty, you have no physical excuse to keep you from reporting to the courthouse on your given day, and you are chosen to sit on a jury. It IS your place to do that. It's the foundation of our trial by jury system, the backbone of our legal system.
Delete@4:14 Aren't you judging every time you vote? Aren't you deciding someone's outcome? Or do you not vote as well as not sit jury duty?
Delete@8:48 Please remind Josh that God knows the truth and Josh himself does too. Maybe he wouldn't be running up such a legal bill for his father to pay if he would remember to tell the truth. He has had a problem in the past applying that concept.
DeleteThe Duggar’s did not “choose” to take a “step back” from reality tv as someone on this post suggested. They were “officially dropped” by TLC after another Josh Duggar scandal. So it’s highly unlikely that another network would pick them up again as you suggest
DeleteYep, see that's why I never like jury duty because it's not our place to judge at all and I am afraid I could send someone innocent to prison/death.
Delete10:37, if the feds have the evidence that are going to block that out. They are still investigating Josh. They can't give everything away until court time.
Delete1:20, no it was cancelled like their other show for the time being like they did with 19 kids and counting. They will come back in a new spinoff. They always do.
Delete@9:11 Corrections. The Feds are not still investigating Josh. They did that before the business raid, then they amassed that evidence to present for the grand jury indictment and then the arrest. Also, they have to disclose things to the defense before court time. They've been going through the disclosure phase of the upcoming trial during spring and summer 2021.
DeleteA jury can't convict someone in a death sentence trial without a judge having the authority to overturn the verdict (commute it to life without parole) or an automatic appeal process starting. Possibly having to make that decision on a jury is no reason to say you'll never serve jury duty. Most cases aren't murder cases anyway. Plus most cases can be appealed if the defendant's lawyers want to do that.
DeleteThe Duggars did not decide to step back or take a break. TLC dropped them and made a public statement of such. We could debate all day over what went wrong and why. Actually I think the dropping of the show taught a bigger lesson than the show itself ever did. This is what happens when everyone overlooks and misrepresents the truth, network and family. Powerful lesson.
Delete9:07 I don't know of anyone that particularly relishes the idea of jury duty, but how do you expect our judicial system to work without it? Someone has to determine guilty or innocence. It might not be a perfect system, but it's better that it's a jury of one's peers, rather than any alternative.
DeleteIf you won’t even fulfill your jury duty responsibility, maybe you should sacrifice some of your other rights as well. That’s only fair to your fellow citizens. And don’t worry. You will never be the one person to send a prisoner to their execution. There are too many checks and balances for that. That’s just an excuse.
DeleteIf you won't do jury duty, you shouldn't vote. The Duggars didn't step back, TLC dropped them. Too much has come out about this family, I doubt very much if they'll come back. Natasha, you need to find a new program to watch or maybe your parents can buy you the DVD's.
DeleteI agree, 2:42 and 10:27. Democracy has duties for all of us. It's not something given for free. You can't take part of it and not do what you need to for the other parts.
DeleteI've been called for jury duty twice. First time, it was a shoplifting case, not exactly death row I would have had to decide. I couldn't serve for that trial because it turned out I knew the store manager where the shoplifting happened! The defense lawyers dismissed me as "biased" when picking the jurors. But I showed up for duty and went through the process like I was supposed to. The second time, I was undergoing a series of medical treatments and could not serve that day. But again, I would have gone if I could have. It's everyone's duty. If you ever have a trial yourself, you'll be glad that your peers showed up to complete the process with you.
I am so thankful that my country does not have the death penalty. The last time it was used was 1963; officially abolished in 1976. We also have sentencing guidelines for various crimes. There is no latitude for first degree murder. It is an automatic sentence. So, all the juries have to do is decided if a person is guilty or not. It also helps that prosecutors here are NOT political, elected positions. They are non-partisans, tasked with the application of the current law of the land.
DeleteSomeone posted that lawyers are liars and manipulators. That person has been watching too much TV. Lawyers are suppose to defend their clients, to make sure their client gets a fair hearing.
@11:07 Lawyers defend their clients by downplaying or omitting some chosen information and using and emphasizing other information. You could say in a broad way that that is manipulating things. They take the focus off some facts, place it on others, and try to introduce doubt for the jury. A "fair" hearing is what they make of it. The prosecution does the same things from their side. It's a matching of wits sometimes. I think we'll see examples of this in the trial in November.
DeleteI have found that most people who says this kind of stuff are actually the ones that throw away their jury duty letter and complain about politics but don't actually vote lol... I see right through ya'll.
Delete@2:32 the one time I was called I went. Didn't get chosen for one case because I knew the defendant. But, I went. We had to report for three or four days I don't remember, but it wasn't bad. One judge actually told us a little history about the county I live in. As Americans it's your duty. Since they now use your driver's license and not your voter registration (at least in PA) maybe they should suspend your license for a while if you don't serve. Some people do have valid reasons why they can't serve, but to not want to judge someone isn't one of them. A jury doesn't have the final say on whether someone lives or dies.
Delete2:31 - 100% agreed!
Delete@5:35 what victim? Josh isn't the victim, those poor innocent children are. No one is persecuting Josh or the Duggars. I think what would make a good tv special for TLC would be Jill and Derrick or Jinger and Jeremy.
DeleteOver the years I've served on three juries. It was not difficult to come to what I considered a fair decision based on the evidence presented to the jury. If people don't serve on juries because they don't want the responsibility that is unfair to the people who are being tried. If I were on trial I would want to have a jury of my peers making the decision. Making lame excuses not to serve does everyone a disservice.
Deletethank you everyone for the rousing jury duty discussion. LOL You all reminded me- I was called for jury duty several years ago, but as I home schooled our daughter, they exempted me for the duration of our home schooling. We've finished up now and I need to notify them to include me again for jury duty. It is a responsibility, privilege, duty, and right to serve and participate in the judicial process. By doing our part and committing to be honest and fair, upright in our dealings, we're helping ensure that the accused gets a fair trial.
DeleteHere's hoping that Michelle enjoyed her 55th Birthday!!!!!
ReplyDeleteQuestion. Why does Alert have boys wear what looks like police uniforms? I don't understand the agenda of that program. It's not really been defined for the public, has it. Obviously the Duggars buy into whatever it is though.
ReplyDeleteSeems you are interested in this program perhaps for one of your own chidlren since you are asking.
DeleteWhat does that have to do with Michelle's birthday? Happy birthday, Michelle!
DeleteYou could just go to the Alert website and read for yourself about the program.
DeleteWell if the Duggars buy into it must be good
DeleteI don't think it looks like a police uniform. They are rather nice uniforms imho. As for "not really defined for the public" what do you mean?
DeleteSo I personally wouldn't send my kids to anything related to Bill Gothard, but from reading their website (where it actually is defined for the public) it looks like a program that teaches both spiritual and practical skills. It's loosely based on the Marines, according to the website, which would account for the use of uniforms. Apparently they find it valuable enough to fork out the money for their kids, like I find piano lessons valuable enough to fork out the money for my three kids. It's not really "buying into" anything, per se, as much as it is investing in their kids to whatever extent they find value in the program. It would be interesting to hear what their guys thought of it.
DeleteGo to the IBLP website and research Alert.
DeleteMichelle's looking enhanced lately. Happy Birthday to her!
DeleteHow about you go to the website and do the research yourself? There is different programs like Alert where boys and girls wear what looks to be army uniforms but their not.
DeleteWhat an odd thing to say, 2:35.
Delete@1:04 The OP likely made the comment based on one of the photos of the boys wearing uniforms. Not hard to understand.
DeleteOf course it's not hard to understand. It's just off-topic here.
Delete5:41, it still doesn't have anything to do with Michelle's birthday, which is all 1:04 asked.
DeleteHappy 55th birthday Michelle! My mom has the same birthday as you!
ReplyDeleteGod Bless You and Family, Happy Birthday Mrs. Duggar! Always a Beautiful inspiration!
ReplyDeleteHappy Birthday Michelle! I pray your 55th year will be a peaceful and happy one.
ReplyDeleteHappiness and blessings throughout your birthday year. God bless.
ReplyDeleteHAPPY BIRTHDAY MICHELLE
Joan,Marion and Marilyn
Happy Birthday Michelle. Have a wonderful blessed day and year.
ReplyDeleteActually, it has been defined for the public. You can go to the ALERT website and read about it.
ReplyDeleteHappy Birthday Mrs. Duggar/Michelle. Your children are very fortunate to have you as an example and the influence of a Godly Mother and Godly Grandmother to your many Grands and perhaps one day a Great Grandma. Like Grandma Mary Duggar was. Jim Bob is a very fortunate man to have you as a wife. He's a fine example to me as a Christian Man. He also has favor from the Lord for a wife like you. Blessings
ReplyDeleteAre you going by what you saw in a hour of program content and commercials? Or are you factoring in everything that happened off TV too?
DeleteMust be nice to have a 55th birthday and have a stable marriage, financial rewarding, 19 children, 21 grandchild and 2 on the way! Happy birthday Michelle!!
ReplyDeleteI feel very fortunate that at the age of 68, I have a stable marriage, financial security and 2 wonderful children and their spouses who have all given us every reason to be proud! With the Duggar's present circumstances, I have only pity for Michelle.
Deleteanon@5:did not 37: and she probably has pity on you that you did not enjoy more children and that your household is too small, and so on.
DeleteYou sound envious. Why don't you instead thank the Lord for the blessings in your own life? He cares for you, too.
Delete@5:37 I agree with you.
DeleteI also have a stable family and everything else there too, achieved without my life or my family's life having to be on TV or all over the media for everyone to pick apart. Would I trade that for what Michelle has and how she got it? Ha.
DeleteAnon 1:24 PM: Ok, but it is not your birthday that we talk about here! People congratulate Michelle Duggar on her life achievements of having a stable family, wonderful loving husband, 19 children, over 20 grandchildren.
Delete@2:05 I think it's important that people point out how they don't need a life like Michelle's to feel equally blessed.
DeleteAgree, 2:05. Nobody here needed to make it about themselves. The original comment was about Michelle.
DeleteNobody needs to point that out. The original comment was about the blessings in Michelle's life, since this is a post about her birthday. Nobody needs to feel defensive about their own lives.
DeletePeople were only commenting on how life can be full and happy without having 19 kids. Sometimes people here are too quick to equate life's bounty with how many kids one has, as if having more kids guarantees more happiness. As 5:37 said, it doesn't always do that.
DeleteWow -- These comments are crazy. People take things so personally -- or maybe you all want to feel superior? Yeah -- we all get that Michelle has some heartache in her life, but this post is a time to celebrate her birthday. Sheesh!
DeleteHappy Birthday! Also, does anyone know the lyrics ( or a link to the lyrics) of the Jesus Happy Birthday song they sing?
ReplyDeleteHappy birthday to you, oh happy birthday to you
DeleteEvery day of the year, may you feel Jesus near
Happy birthday to you, oh happy birthday to you
And the best year you've ever had!
That doesn't rhyme.
Delete10:19 - Songs don't always have to rhyme because if that was the case we have to follow more strict rules of A and 1 codes where even our names would have to rhyme with our family names.
Delete10:19, songs don't have to rhyme.
DeleteTreat yourself to a good haircut and new clothes.
ReplyDeleteWhy does she need to cut her hair it's pretty and she likes it. Do you want to be told how to dress and do your hair?
DeleteShe has the money and the fashion-conscious daughters to help her if she chooses to do so. Apparently she is satisfied with her hair and clothes. She doesn't have to please random internet strangers.
DeleteYeah, a person's birthday is the best time to insult them. Good for you.
DeleteI live around lots of Amish folks and they are the happiest,most peace filled, content people you could ever know. I learned through watching and being around them that the true riches in life are the simpler things in life which sets them free from vanity and the pursuit of riches. They would chuckle if they ever heard someone say get yourself a new hair cut and a new wardrobe for your Birthday. lol. We could all learn lessons from the Amish like having a good work ethic, loving God, loving others, living a quieter life and realizing that joy and contentment isn't achieved by material things but by a good honorable life in Christ. I'm working on myself with the help of God to become as peaceful and content as my Amish neighbors are.
DeleteWe are peace maker. Pride is a sin.
Delete@2:44 Part of my father's first job was to work with the Amish, not beside them in the field or barn, but to help them settle land disputes, estates, and things like that. When family farm land was divided and divided between sons and generations until shares that were left were barely large enough to be profitable, there were bound to be disputes and estate dealings that needed to be straightened out. Let me tell you, the Amish are no different than the rest of us when it comes to emotions like anger or feelings of greed and pride, especially with land ownership. My father saw it all. What you're describing in your comment is what you, the public, might see from afar. What goes on at home behind closed doors (or in a law office) is another matter. The Amish are also known for allowing their teens "rumspringa" or a time when rules are relaxed and the teens can experience the outside world and all it has in it, including things like alcohol, driving cars, and using technology. Life can be anything but "quiet" during that period. Beyond that, unfortunately, domestic abuse (along with other types) does happen in Amish families. Fortunately my father did not have to deal with that aspect of Amish life, but living where we did, we heard stories on the news, when news like that could even leak out. While being peaceful and content is a nice goal for you to have, Amish life should not be completely romanticized because it paints a picture that's not completely true. I hope this post gives everyone some more insight on the Amish.
Delete2:44 The Amish are not without their own issues and problems. There is no perfect lifestyle.
DeleteI think treating herself to a hair salon day and new clothes would be a great way to celebrate a birthday. We Moms tend to neglect ourselves and do so much for others, as I know Michelle does.
Delete@2:44 While I agree that it is the simple things in life that matter the most and that there are things we can learn from the Amish, they do still have their own set of problems within their own society. Personally, I would not want to live in such a restrictive and patriarchal environment, where formal education ends at the end of eighth grade.
Delete12:22, then you say, "hope you can go pamper yourself" rather than "get a good haircut."
DeleteHello. This thread stuck out to me. I left the Amish four years ago. Please, I beg everyone, do not envy their life.
DeleteTheir dedication to community is beautiful. The slow pace. The constant surrounding of nature and people you know. That is all beautiful, and I miss it terribly. Yes, the people appear peaceful and happy. But that is a requirement of the church. It is not usually genuine.
But it is now my mission to expose what is hidden, so that it can help others get free. The Anabaptist world is full to the brim with abuses. Sexual abuse effects 4/5 Anabaptist girls and 3/5 boys—figures anecdotally gathered by counselors and psychologists who serve former Anabaptist populations. It is against Anabaptist church teachings to expose an abuser to the legal authorities and doing so will get you excommunicated. It is sickeningly common for the males (father, brothers, etc) to molest or rape the girls of the family. They have certain loopholes to excuse it, such as “leaving her dress on means it isn’t fornication,” or “doing it before the girl is 10 means it isn’t intercourse,” etc.
Please do research all of the abuses that ARE FINALLY coming to light in the mainstream world. Google Gideon Miller, Aaron and Petie Schwartz, the death of Sasha Krausse at the hands of an ex-Menno, Mary and James Mast, etc. PLEASE Google The Plain People’s Podcast—a resource full of former Anabaptists telling the gruesome stories of their childhood abuses. Please get on Facebook and look up A Better Way, Splash 4 Ripples, By Thy Words, etc. These are organizations created to serve those leaving the terrors of the Amish and Mennonite churches.
Please do not reject my comment, Lily and Ellie, because I do find it burdensome that these truths be known.
7:22, thank you for opening our eyes. Those are devastating statistics.
Delete7:22's message is probably the most important one we've ever had here. Thanks for posting that. Think about what she said and how it could apply to other places you know of, too. It's time everyone stopped looking the other way while girls' and women's lives are ruined.
Delete@7:22 Years ago I read that the Amish are known for animal cruelty. Anyone interested can Google it. There is no perfect society. Everyone has problems of some kind.
DeleteNone of you have the right facts about the Amish and Mennonites. You need to go actually meet them instead of what non-Amish and non-Mennonites write about them.
DeleteI actually know an ex-Amish lady and we've been friends with several Mennonite families over the years. Outward rules don't change, and will never change, human nature. Both societies (all the sects contained within each), if they're willing to be honest before God and man, will admit that...but many will not. I live in a very heavily Mennonite populated city/county (with an extensive network of Mennonite organizations/businesses/schools & A University), my husband was employed by an Old-Order Mennonite for years. Not trying to slam them, but if these were the only Mennonites and Amish people, I'd never have any dealings or relationship with any of them again. I am sure (and have to believe) that not all are like this though. Based on my experiences and what is taught in the University in my area, they are both very works-based, rules-oriented religions, based heavily on the traditions of men to the point of denying actual Bible verses (a female professor at the Mennonite University here was teaching her students that God is a "she"). It is more important to them to "keep the old ways" and "honor" their ancestors, than to read and follow the actual Word of God. So, I was estatic and thrilled to recently see "The Ex-Amish of Maywood, MO" by Growing Tree Productions on YouTube, to see and hear their beautiful testimonies of finding Christ.
Delete@2:32 NONE have the facts right? Even the people who worked with them and were Amish once? I find your claim very hard to believe.
Delete11:10 AM - The Amish people I know from the community that I live next to is not what they are like on TV or in books.
Delete@2:32 how can you say that when some of the people making statements are ex Amish? I was the one that posted about animal cruelty, it was directed at dogs. They are known for having puppy Mills. Look it up.There is a large Amish community in the county next to the one I live in. Also, a few others across the state I live in.
Delete8:41, agreed. I cringe at the reality shows, movies and books now that I actually met them. They aren't what people say and shows like breaking amish is so fake.
Delete9:44 AM - Same!
DeleteBirthday well wishes and prayers for you and yours, Michelle! 🎉🥳🎊
ReplyDeleteBeen having some internet issues so my msg is somewhat late. However, I hope Michelle had a lovely birthday with all her family & grandchildren around her. I’m sure as stressful as life is atm for her she still had time to enjoy her special day, at least I hope she did.
ReplyDeleteHappy belated birthday Michelle. I hope you had a wonderful day with your family. Wishing you all the best. Blessings.
ReplyDeleteNice suggestion about treating herself haircut and shopping trip. Love it
ReplyDeletePride is a sin. We do have our own problems. Mary Keim Mennonite. Hambden Twp., Ohio Lover of the Lord
ReplyDeleteYou know that Amish and Mennonite are not the same. They may share some common roots but their practices are different.
Delete3:37, I am very sure that Mary does indeed know that. However, she was not saying anything about the Amish or Mennonites. She just identifies herself as a Mennonite.
Delete@7:34 I agree with you. Natasha non Mennonite
ReplyDelete4:27 it always seems those comments are taking pot shots at bring a mennonite. Kay grandaughter of a Quaker.
DeleteHonest question: Why do you identify yourself as "non Mennonite"? Most of us are non-Mennonites.
DeleteI guess we're supposed to identify ourselves here as Mennonite or non-Mennonite?
DeleteAt 11:33 I'm sure they're confused as to why Mary Keim always identifies herself as Mennonite. It seems like most of the people on this blog are Christians, but they don't announce themselves by name and write Christian after it
Delete@ 1:10 why does she always identify herself as a Mennonite?
DeleteI am half-mennonite.
DeleteYou can just ignore it, 1:10 and 11:33. Mary Keim likes to identify herself as a Mennonite and apparently someone else wants to make fun of that.
DeleteThere are some mean people on this blog. Who cares if someone wants to identify as a Mennonite. I could post that I'm a Mainline Protestant. My mom taught me if you don't have something nice to say, don't say it. In this case don't post it.
Delete@9:10 How can someone be half Mennonite?
DeleteNot half-Mennonite here, but having known a lot of Mennonites, one can be half-Mennonite by being raised Mennonite, but not internalizing all the beliefs and daily practices of that faith for themselves peronally. They may simply just "look" or "act" Mennonite (for example, dressing Old Order if they're in an Old Order sect or complying with societal expectations if they're in a more progressive sect) when they're with their families/other Mennonites. Or a person may consider themselves half-Mennonite if one parent is Mennonite and the other is not, or if there are Mennonites in their family tree while they themselves are not Mennonite.
DeleteI don't think you "inherit" being Mennonite or half-Mennonite from a parent.
DeleteI was a Nationwide Mennonite. It is a very conservative conference. You cannot be “half Mennonite.” To be a Mennonite is to be absorbed by a culture. You cannot “sort of” be one. You are in it, or you aren’t. There are no half Mennonites.
DeleteHalf-Mennonites are updated version of Amish Mennonites. There is only one congregation like this far as I know in the Midwest.
Delete@2:57 I'm the Anonymous @9:42 and I stand by my original comment. I know quite a few people who "identify" as Mennonite by birth because their parents or the vast majority of their ancestors were Mennonite, but they themselves aren't so sold on it. Yet, if you divided the room into Mennonite and non-Mennonite, they'd stand on the Mennonite side. LOL That's half-Mennonite. Living in the Shenandoah Valley of VA, I can tell you there are a ton of half-Mennonites here, going along to get along. Their family ties are there, they've been raised in the culture, and do all the things "good" Mennonites are supposed to do (in Church every Sunday, attend conferences & camps, participate in the Relief Sales, live simply, support other Mennonite-owned businesses, contribute time/money/goods to the Mennonite-network organizations, etc.), but many are Mennonite simply because their parents were/are-it's what they know, not what they actually believe and chose for themselves. Many know they'll be socially cut off if they don't go along-not quite as severe as the Old Order Amish ban-but definitely socially shunned.
Deleteso sad to hear there will be no more counting on. the family inspire all to live happy decent lives, love to all and help to those in need. Hopefully the family wi;; have blogs. Blessings to you all.
ReplyDeleteMaybe decent lives by example of what not to do? Not all of us agree with the things that happened in this family.
DeleteAgreeing with Anonymous @7:47. Just past the half-century mark here and the longer I live, the more I understand why God instructs us to be busy with our hands, mind our own homes and families, and mind our own business and personal lives, working out our salvation with reverent fear...instead of idolizing people who seem to look like (or we think) have it all together. We shouldn't be following other human beings-they're flawed too (and sometimes in bigger ways than we are). It's fine to pray for them (and we should), but it's not okay to emulate them and try to be like them. We're made in God's image, not Michelle's or Jim Bob's (not trying to be offensive to them).
DeleteLove above comments September 28 @ 7:47pm and September 29, @9:50pm. These both say it all. God Bless and Thamk you both
ReplyDelete7:47 p.m. God instructs us? Really? It's so hard for me to be religious when I'm told that someone is monitoring my every move. Who thought this up and why do so many people believe it? Not trying to be mean . . . . just want to know. I
ReplyDeleteI wish Michelle would have more babies. It’s possible through implantation. It would be so worth it. She’s such a good mom.
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