Counting On "Count Your Blessings"
- Lauren’s mom and “Mom Michelle” come over to Lauren’s house for a visit. Lauren is doing better, but she admits that she went through a season of depression following her October 2018 miscarriage.
- Lana had a miscarriage right after Lauren, who was her first. Michelle miscarried after Josh and then had a stillbirth with Jubilee in 2011. “Having the baby there that you could hold while you’re missing the baby that you can’t hold is so different than being empty crib, no baby to show for the sorrow, the pain, that you’re walking through,” says Michelle. “I just can’t even imagine, Lauren.”
- In October 2018, Josiah and Lauren named their miscarried baby Asa, which means “living one” and “healer.” They created a box of memories, including the shirt that Lauren wore to announce the pregnancy and a letter that she and Josiah wrote to their baby.
- Jessa, whose third child is due on the due date (in early June) that Lauren would have shared, says that the miscarriage has opened her eyes: “There can be a tendency as a pregnant lady to complain, and then to see Lauren, having lost that…it really makes me more aware of the words that I speak. I honestly don’t even know how she does it sometimes. She’s always asking me, ‘How are you feeling?’ and ‘What are you experiencing?’ and ‘How’s the baby?’ It brings tears to your eyes. And I’m just like, ‘I don’t know how you have strength to do this, in the midst of everything you’re going through.’ She just has said, ‘We’re so thankful that God has blessed y’all with another baby.’”
- Jinger and Felicity come back to Arkansas to visit Grandma Duggar, whose health is declining. About two months prior to filming for the episode, she had two strokes within a couple weeks of each other. Jinger meets up with Jim Bob, Michelle, Kendra, and Grandma Duggar at Kendra’s house. “She is moving a little bit slower, but she has pretty much got most of her speech back,” says Jim Bob of his mom.
- Despite her health issues, Grandma has a smile on her face. “Jinger was one that always invested in Grandma Duggar and spent time with her and loved talking to her and taking her places,” says Jim Bob.
- “My mom has always been someone I look up to,” says Jim Bob. “She’s been kind of a role model in business. She’s somebody that loves the Lord and has been someone that always encourages other people, and I love her so much.” Jim Bob, who loves taking pictures, gets a four-generation photo of Grandma, Michelle, Jinger, and Felicity.
- Jessa describes Grandma as a giver. John says she is faithful. “I know I wouldn’t be the man that I am today if it wasn’t for Grandma’s influence [on] me,” says Josiah. Justin admires Grandma’s “true, genuine heart to serve others and just not caring about what other people think about her.”
- Jinger also gets together with Jessa and Kenra and their kids. “If the baby were a girl, then we would have to think about an addition sooner rather than later,” says Jessa.
- While Jinger is in town, the Seewalds have their ultrasound. She goes along, and Jana and Anna also join them.
- On the second day of their Finnish honeymoon, John and Abbie take an overnight train ride to a town on the arctic circle. “I’ve found that in Europe, it seems that most things are a bit more cozy than they are here in the U.S.,” says John. Later, they visit a glass blowing studio. Abbie makes a bowl, and John makes a vase. “I think that blowing glass could become a romantic activity,” says John.
- “It was fun to have a souvenir to take home that you actually made, that you can use when you get home,” says Abbie. “Until our children break them.”
- The newlyweds spend a night at the Snow Hotel, made completely out of snow and ice (except for the mattress). It is rebuilt every year and is only open for three months before it melts. There is a heated “locker room” with beds. “Nice warm place for the losers who can’t survive in the snow hotel,” the staff member tells them, laughing.
- “Being in 20-degree weather, it’s not an excuse, it’s a necessity to cuddle,” says John. The Duggars make it through the night in the show hotel! The next day, they go on a snowmobiling excursion with Lapland Safaris. During their adventure, another snowmobiler runs into a tree, and they have to follow their guide over to the scene of the accident to make sure everything is okay. Thankfully, the first responders are already there, but John and Abbie were told that the victim likely sustained a spinal injury. “I think there’s always that chance that any day, anywhere, any time, we could be called upon to assist in an emergency situation,” says John. He is a first responder, and Abbie is a nurse.
- “I was a little uneasy after I got on my snowmobile,” says Abbie. “I went a little bit slower and was a little more cautious after seeing what had happened to the lady who ran into the tree.”
I think this show is getting boring. I don't see why Jim Bob and Michelle have to be on the show so much. I thought the show was about adult children and their lives.
ReplyDeleteI really can't see this show being on that much longer.
This episode was actually tedious to watch. So sorry to see this happening.
DeleteI thoroughly enjoy the show. I love to see the interaction between family members. They show a lot of love and caring for each other. Jim Bob and Michelle are examples of trying to care for their adult children and lift them up emotionally. Making sure a 4 generation picture taken of Grandma, Michelle, Ginger and Felicity is a treasure for them considering Grandma passed away shortly after this.
DeleteI see it lasting for at least another season since we’re about to enter the great Duggar baby boom of 19’ lol and if one or more of the Duggar boys (or *gasp* Jana) were to enter a courtship, I think the show will go on even longer. We shall see.
Delete11:42, I think the 4 generation picture was sweet but not sure why it included Michelle since Grandma's son is Jim Bob. It should have been Jim Bob, right?
DeleteI personally don't think the show being about constant pregnancies, courtships, weddings are going to hold people's interest. I often wonder why if some of them like being on tv so much that they just don't go into acting and try out for movies. Reality tv wasn't meant to last forever and interest fades away after awhile. It never ends good for families that stay too long on reality tv and an example of that is Josh and Anne's life will never be the same now and it's only a matter of time before other things happen with that many people in the family. Maybe 2-3 of them could go into acting in movies, maybe the Hallmark channel.
DeleteI LOVE THE WHOLE DUGGAR FAMILY AND HOPE THEY ARE ALL ON ALL THE TIME
DeleteI also don't think Jim Bob and Michelle need to be on the show. Counting On is supposed to be about the older kids getting on with tier lives. I feel having Jim Bob and Michelle on, takes away from the story lines, they bring up too much about the past. I thought Michelle's comments about Grandma Mary's, health getting worse, were not very nice or necessary. I hope the show takes a better turn, with focusing more on the content we want to see, Jim Bob and Michelle, had their time on TV, hope they are not featured anymore.
DeleteJohn does make a lot of errors in speech. Abbie doesn't ,so hopefully she'll work on him. He said on tonight's episode "I have drove" instead of "I have driven", and "She had ran into a tree" about the accident, rather than "She ran into a tree". He makes these mistakes with the words "have/has" every time we see him on TV, every episode. I just had to say something this time. Jessa and Jinger speak correctly. It's important to have proper grammar when you're in the public eye, in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteJohn's use of words mirrors how my family and I speak. Just because someone, somewhere, at some time decided that something as arbitrary as grammar mattered doesn't mean it actually does to other folks. That ain't pointed at you by the way. I know where I'm from its more important know what your talking about than to talk "properly" out of your back end. All the grammar won't help you explain what just went wrong when your car broke down haha. But at the end of the day if its something that gets your goat, I understand, everyone is bothered by something different.
DeleteI've always wondered who teaches their grammar lessons and how they're corrected or graded. They often make the when/whenever mistake, too. Do they have a persnickety English teacher with a red marking pen, the way most of us had? "I have drove" written for an assignment should come back with a big red circle around it and points deducted. If children are never corrected or if they hear bad grammar at home, they won't learn. (Cue Rex Harrison singing "Why Can't the English?")
DeleteHe uses the speech patterns that he hears in his family. I don't see it as a big deal, just how they all talk.
DeleteActually, Texas, if you want to compete in the white collar work force, you'd better have strong communication and writing skills. Your grammar will be judged and will be taken into consideration for your job. Hiring managers chuck aside resumes with bad grammar or spelling mistakes, and speaking the way John David does at an interview won't get you anywhere. Are you telling me that in Texas, managers don't care how their employees speak?
DeleteJohn's grammatical errors are more than "speech patterns that he hears in his family". Michelle doesn't make the same errors and neither do Jessa or Jinger. It's possible to know what you're talking about, and say it correctly, all at the same time. And if you say it correctly, people will be more likely too assume that you know what you're talking about.
Deleteabbie is sooo adorable! they are such a perfect couple. hope they get to go back to finland for their anniversary, they look like they had a blast!
ReplyDeleteMichelle and Lana would not stop interrupting Lauren anytime she tried to talk and that drove me crazy. This isn’t about you and the babies you lost a decade/decades ago (and I know that those losses still hurt, but this was about Lauren) Also Michelle’s whole “we are like a vapor in the wind” speach while talking about grandma Mary’s health decline was so pessimistic and unnecessary.
ReplyDeleteMichelle doesn't need to be on the show. The show is not about her anymore
Delete1:11, agreed
DeleteShe didn’t lose Jubilee a decade ago...it was just a few years ago. And from someone who has miscarried and lost a child, it is helpful to hear others stories and share common pain. Lauren seems somewhat stuck in her depression and I think they were trying to help her see that there is life after loss.
DeleteThe vapor thing was a Bible quote and I didn’t take it as pessimistic so much as not taking life for granted. I mean, we are all going to die and no amount of optimism will change that fact.
You are being very negative. It was a serious and heartfelt discussion. There was a lot of love in that discussion.
Delete9:16, she lost Jubilee just a few years short of ten years ago. And my point was they kept interrupting her while she was trying to express her feelings to talk about their own. Sometimes you just need someone to listen to how YOU are feeling, but they didn’t seem very concerned by that. And that quote in the Bible is talking about not boasting on the things you’re going to do down the road, as you don’t really know what tomorrow will bring, it’s not something you need to be saying during one of the last visits your daughter is going to have with her grandmother. It was very dark of her.
DeleteIn December, it'll be 8 years since Michelle lost Jubilee.. Pretty close to a decade
DeleteJubilee was miscarried about a year after Josie was born, and Josie is turning 10 this year. Michelle was trying to tell Lauren about her experience, to say that things happen, women have miscarriages. It's life.
DeleteI watched the show after reading the comments, and I didn't see what you were talking about. They didn't "keep" interrupting her - I saw once where her mom started talking after Lauren had just started to talk. They weren't making it all about them, they were sharing their own experiences (which can help you feel like you're not alone. They acknowledged that their losses weren't exactly the same as Lauren's. You also have to remember that they both lost a grandchild and share personally in Lauren's grief. It was a bittersweet time together.
DeleteWhat you “year counters” don’t seem to understand is that is ALWAYS feels fresh. When I lost my son at 28 weeks some of the greatest comfort came to me from women who had lost children 30+ years prior.
DeleteI think the conversation was a gentle way of helping Lauren gain perspective which is important when you can’t function because of grief.
I know that Lauren and Josiah can name the baby whatever they want since it’s theirs, but I feel like Asa could have been saved as a name for one of their future baby, just based off of the name meaning. Not hating, just my opinion.
ReplyDeleteBut that was the name that had special meaning to them for this baby. Their choice.
Delete9:37, Asa means “healer” and “living one”. I know this is harsh, but that does not apply to their baby that they lost.
Delete9:37, Asa means “living one”
DeleteStill their choice.
DeleteWhen Lauren said “I used to hear about people being depressed and thought, you know, whatever” I thought It was very selfish and insensitive.
ReplyDeleteShe is young and had no understanding of what depression is actually like. Here she is, admitting that she was wrong. You don't have to jump on her.
DeleteI think she was being honest in saying that is how she used to think before her experience. I think a lot of people don’t understand others until they have walked in their shoes. She is not being selfish and insensitive now.
DeleteMost people can't truly relate to the full extent of depression until you have gone through it. Fully not comprehending a problem or condition is not selfish but human. People say they want them to be honest and that is what she was doing. She was being honest about not fully understanding something. Let them be honest and forthcoming without tearing them apart for their imperfections.
DeleteI didn’t, I think a lot of people think that way until they actually go through it because they don’t understand it.
DeleteNot many people understand how people who are depressed feel. They might think it's all just like lack of will power or weakness, but it is not. That's what Lauren was saying.
DeleteA lot of people mistakenly assume that someone experiencing depression can just snap out of it, keep busy, or can faith their way through it (they just don't have enough faith). Clinical depression actually involves the production of chemical hormones in your body via your bloodstream, and the brain synapses they are affecting. Major emotional trauma (the death of a loved one, losing a child, the "death" of a long-term and deeply valued relationship, etc.) are all widely known triggers. Self-care, surrounding yourself with people who will support you (not primarily relate their own losses), and a seasoned professional counselor to genuinely listen and guide you through the grieving process with tried and true coping strategies can make all the difference. When I lost my baby, I only discussed it with two trusted friends. My mother would have made it all about herself relating her pregnancy losses, as she did whenever an extended family member suffered a loss. Other (I can only assume) well-meaning women spoke about their losses very matter of factly and in excrutiating detail...I simply excused myself and avoided them going forward. For some reason, women seem to tend to forget it's not about them and they should be focusing on the grieving mom, dad, and family members.
Deletenot going to lie, i was glad jessa got schooled on depression herself after making the comments she had previously made about depression. sometimes if it doesnt happen to you, you have no tolerance because you dont understand it and she really came clean on admitting thinking twice before speaking. i had a lot of respect for her
DeleteI’m a medical professional and I have also suffered depression. Lauren needs more than prayers, she needs real medical professionals. So many red flags, she needs medical help. It’s normal to be depressed after a miscarriage, I was but the way she is talking she needs more help than what her family can offer her
ReplyDeleteYour right, she should really pay someone to pump her full of unnatural drugs...
DeleteDrugs are not the only treatment for depression, 10:50. That was a harsh comment you made and a slap in the face for anyone whose life depends on "unnatural" drugs.
DeleteTherapists work with a person through therapy - not drugs. Only a psychiatrist or a dr in a general practice, someone like that can prescribe medications. Therapy is about talking, working through an issue, learning coping strategies, effective methods to help deal with something like deep grief over a miscarriage. It is a safe place to share with a trained person who is there to walk you through an event in your life with a goal to getting you healthier emotionally.
DeleteI don't think a real mental health professional would try to diagnose someone on the basis of a short clip on a TV reality show, filmed more than six months ago. Grief is a part of living. If ongoing depression is a problem, then yes, it might be wise to seek professional help. However, all I can say is that from my own experience, I found that when I've faced significant loss in my life, the most help came from support groups and people who have gone through the same things and survived it. I am sorry to have to say this but our mental health system in many parts of this country is not very healthy. There's a shortage of competent caregivers and psychiatrists and navigating the good, the bad, and the ugly of it is not something I'd wish on anyone. I've been there and done that with a loved one.
Delete@10:50 am - Though it may be inappropriate for a viewer to attempt to diagnose Lauren, it is also irresponsible and damaging to diminish mental health treatments that are life-saving and necessary for many people. Calling something “unnatural” is vague and ignorant. The life-saving C-sections some of these young moms underwent to save the lives of themselves and their babies were “unnatural” too. Attacking and diminishing medical treatments for mental health is not OK and can make those needing help feel less supported in seeking it out.
DeleteA therapist does more than give you drugs 🤦🏻♀️ An actual therapist can’t give out medication, they have to refer you to someone usually (where I live anyway)
DeleteRelax...I’m getting professional help and it’s a weekly counselor. But those “unnatural drugs” have saved lives so I don’t knock those either.
DeleteI agree though...and just because the family doesn’t show it doesn’t mean they don’t seek professional help. This family has never come across as anti medicine or anti doctor.
@10:50 the poster did not say she needed drugs but rather professional assistance to process the grief.
DeleteI’d take prayers instead of a bunch of pills any day!
DeleteGod is Great!!
therapists and support groups do not use drugs of any kind, natural or man made. only psychiatrists are qualified to write a script
DeleteAnon 12.32. Yes God is great but so is modern medicine & medications. It’s all very well saying you would take prayers over a bunch of pills any day, well having known someone who thought exactly like that & put her faith in god when she was diagnosed with cervical cancer while pregnant, & ended up dying when her child was 11 days old, I have to disagree somewhat. Good is not always as good as taking the medical path, I assure you. This lady isn’t the only one Iv known to think this way either, there have been a few over the years, unfortunately I don’t have a happy ending to a single one of their stories, they all passed away. So as much as I believe in my faith & Gods help during times of struggle, I feel it’s best if you use that faith in conjunction with modern medicine.
DeleteAnon 12:32. No pills of any kind? Really? So you think no one needs any medication of any sort? I think that's rather unrealistic.
Delete@10:50 and 12:52 as someone who suffers from occasional anxiety I take offense at what you said. Yes I pray, but when I need to take a prescribed pill I do. There is nothing wrong with that. Poor Lauren does need help to process her grief. Since these poor woman are raised to believe the best they can do in life is to get married very young
Deleteand then start having babies a miscarriage must really be playing with her head. All this grief she's carrying around with her can't be good for her current pregnancy.
I don't understand how a medical professional can jump to such a conclusion based on a short discussion. I have nothing against psychiatry but not everything needs "professional" help. Many people go through depressions after a loss and Faith, family, and friends can help us get through it. On another note I have no idea why my last comment wouldn't have been posted about this. Other people can be so mean on here and post all sorts of diagnosis and my post wasn't allowed? I am trying again because there is nothing wrong with what I am saying. I said basically the same last time.
Delete10:56 Lauren was definitely exibiting signs that indicated a need for professional help. I'd rather error on the side of caution considering this is a life event with a risk of suicide.
DeleteI feel bad for Lauren. A pregnancy loss is devastating and everyone deals with it differently but I think professional help would do her a world of good. She needs more help than her family can give her and there is no shame in asking for professional, outside help.
ReplyDeleteThe same evening there is "Young and Pregnant" MTV show. One girl there went to a therapist and literally asked for advice how to handle a situation with her baby clinging to every guy around because he does not know his father. The best that therapist could do is to say "It might be difficult if your own father would not want a contact". This whole "therapy" looked very unhelpful. And I'm sure that if Lauren talks to her both mothers, they will give her much more than of of those therapists.
DeleteSo you’re saying Lauren doesn’t need professional help for her depression based off a show on MTV? Well, alrighty then.
DeleteAnd to reply to the post about pumping her full of unnatural drugs, therapy doesn’t necessarily mean drugs. There’s no shame in seeking professional help for mental health issues. While Lana & Michelle want the best for Lauren, they aren’t trained to provide the therapy she obviously needs.
There are Christian therapists who can integrate Christian teaching with important information from the world of psychology. Having someone to talk to about a situation can help someone deal with depression! While family is great, a trained and licensed therapist can provide wisdom and care a family often can’t, particularly because their own feelings (like grief) or expectations can make it even harder for the depressed person to heal. A trained therapist also knows how to spot danger signals and should be able to refer the person to others (like a midwife or OBGYN if they suspect hormonal issues or postpartum depression) or a doctor who can test for other things going on (like vitamin D deficiency or thyroid issues) that may be contributing to the person’s depression. Going to a counselor doesn’t mean turning immediately to drugs (though I’m not against prescription meds for depression, particularly for severe depression or for chemical imbalances—God gives us the gift of medicine!). Seeking a counselor means being wise enough to find people whose talents and gifts are helping others walk through difficult times and being humble enough to admit that you need help. God works through people, so seeking a counselor doesn’t mean you’re going against God!
DeleteJust because some person had a bad experience in therapy doesn’t mean everyone should avoid it 🤦🏻♀️
Delete11:53 professionals are usually trained to look for serious issues like thoughts of suicide, sleeping all day or not sleeping, not eating. You can't judge all therapist by the person you saw on a reality television show.
DeleteYou can't look at one bad therapist (on MTV of all things) and say all therapy is unhelpful and therapists are bad.
Delete@11:53 are you really going to base your opinion of Therapy based on a two minute clip you saw on mtv? The right therapist can do wonders. The wrong therapist can sometimes make things work. People sometimes need to go to a few different therapist until they “click”.
DeleteIt would probably benefit Lauren to talk to a trained therapist and not just family.
Anon @5:25 yes!!!! God works through people and going to counseling/ seeking therapy doesn’t mean going against god! 🙌. I really hope Lauren does seek help through a licensed professional ( and not just family, not Just a faith based Counseling - nothing wrong with that btw but it needs to be with a qualified professional with a license to practice!!) Lauren seems incredibly depressed and while I know she’s happy about her rainbow baby I hope she knows it’s ok to get help outside the family and church. I also hope she knows she can get help with post partum depression if she feels she is having it after she has this upcoming rainbow baby
DeleteFinland has a law that requires anyone with medical training to give that degree of help to any injured person. John and Abbie are lucky first responders were there and that they weren't held accountable to help. Not assisting at an accident is actually punishable by a fine or jail time.
ReplyDeleteSince they were tourists, they wouldn't be required to obey that sort of law.
DeleteDid you not watch? They didn’t just see it and walk away...they waited until it was made certain they were not needed. Should they have elbowed their way in even though they speak a different language and were surrounded by medical professionals??
DeleteThey only require that of their own citizens not visitors there on a honeymoon.
Deletedont be ridiculous, no reason for them to be held accountable for anything! you must not have noticed, the guide said there were more than enough responders there already when they got there, even though they were required to be there and that they were not needed due to that. they stayed around until they were told it was ok to leave so they wouldnt be in the way. john even mentioned they were willing to help but werent needed and explained it during their interview. please dont make it seem like they were shirking their responsibilities. go back and rewatch it
Delete@10:12 and @3:56. Tourists in any country are NOT exempt from following the law. Americans are NOT given a free-pass.
Delete@9:03 you are wrong. A US first responder or nursing education is only valid in the US. Do your research....helping out at the scene laws are different the laws that govern crimes like murder.
Delete9:22 must not have watched the episode. They stated over and over that they stayed until they were sure it was being handled. I think they were so repetitious because they knew people would judge them.
DeleteLaws are laws. There's no distinction between some you have to follow and some you don't.
Delete@3:54. I have done my homework and I do not live in the US. I do agree that American first responder and nursing educations are not recognized in other countries (they are not in mine) but those with first-aide training (which many people have) are required to provide what aide they can, if they are first at the accident scene, even if that aide is only to provide comfort.
DeleteAlso, I was reacting to the comment by one poster that implied tourists are exempt from following local laws. That is not true.
Whether in Finland, the U.S., Canada, or anywhere else, First Aid and CPR training are important skills to have. In an emergency, it may very well be up to you to keep someone alive or stop their bleeding until more experienced help arrives. I never dreamed when I took high school first aid/CPR that I'd be in any of the situations I've been in (staunching an elderly neighbor's bleeding head wound and waiting on the Squad-she was on blood thinners / elderly neighbor man having a heart attack and coming to my door / recognizing another neighbor's stroke / recognizing my dad was having a heart issue on the home from a family party in another state & convincing him to head to the ER, etc./ having a co-worker have her first seizure in the middle of my training her, etc.). You just never know. We're getting ready to train our teen daughter and I'll be doing a refresher course myself in the next few months.
DeleteLauren miscarried in October. She was originally due in June.That would make her maybe 4 weeks pregnant, was she sure she was even pregnant? Did she see a doctor? Those OTC pregnancy tests can prove to be false/positive. Sorry, I really don't think you can compare her loss to Joy-Anna's.Professional help? I'd recommend it too.
ReplyDeleteEven if it was a "false positive" pregnancy test, Lauren believes she had a miscarriage so her loss and grief is very real. Don't try to minimize it.
DeleteFalse positives are extremely rare. Either the hcg is there or it’s not.
DeleteAnd no one was comparing it to Joy Anna who, at the time of filming was still pregnant.
Lauren has led a very sheltered life and it usually takes a few years of experience for people like that to even begin to comprehend the deep level of pain life can bring.
When a miscarriage is the worst thing you’ve ever experienced then it’s the worst pain you know. I’m sure her perspective changed when Joy Anna lost her baby girl
Over the counter pregnancy tests have a very high rate of accuracy.
DeleteYou are correct that you can't compare losses because each is entitled to their own experience. Lauren lost an early pregnancy. However, it is still a loss. One could argue that Joy's loss wasn't that bad because she already has a child. But that would be false as well. They are both grieving the loss of expectancy and eager anticipation - and people grieve in different ways.
DeleteIf Lauren's 40 weeks was Aug 29 to June 5th due date, then she was about 5 weeks along when she miscarried, if Oct 4 was the date she miscarried. But maybe it was further into October?
DeleteRemember a woman is already 4 weeks pregnant when she finds out. Lauren was likely 8 weeks.
DeleteI don't think it was false positive, Lauren mentioned she saw the fetus when she had to go to the bathroom at night.
Delete1:30, you don’t always find out at four weeks, that’s just the earliest that you can find out.
DeleteAt 5 weeks pregnant you would not be able to actually see the fetus. I have seen my share of fetusses at 8 weeks or even later. At 8 weeks you can definetley see the fetus but it is extremely tiny. I doubt you would be able to actually recognise a fetus at 5 weeks.
DeleteWhile her miscarriage is very sad, I do think her grief seems to be to overwhelming her. I truly think talking to a therapist would help her. At least help her put things in perspective and help her avoid a postnatal depression.
I also hope she is sensitive enough to not compare her loss to Joy's stillbirth because that is a completely different type of loss.
1:11, Lauren lost the baby at 5 weeks gestation; at that point the baby is the size of a sesame seed so I doubt she would have been able to see it, even if that’s what she think she saw.
DeleteJoy talking about her miscarruage was heartbreaking. She seems to be very early in her pregnancy, they lost it on October 4th, and the box said "Made: September 2018", so it was at most 4 weeks. She was talking like she lost life purpose. It is awful to hear it from a 19 year old girl. She just got married, she knows thing like this happen, it was not years of struggle for her, she was not in the middle of her pregnancy... and yet she had no other purpose? I'm happy both moms were able to talk to her and say that they had miscarriages too, that it feels bad, but it passes... But if she had a miscarriage in October and the filming was in February-March, it's too long for her to grieve. It's not normal. She is 19, she should be happy just because she is young.
ReplyDelete? Young people very often have depression or anxiety, youth has nothing to do with your happiness. Although I will say that at that point in time she should have been receiving professional help, based of off her saying she felt like she had no purpose, that is incredibly sad.
DeleteI really don't think that a stranger should decide what is "too long" to grieve.
DeleteIt’s Lauren.
DeleteThat was Lauren Josiah’s wife not Joy. The show is almost a year behind.
DeleteLauren is due when her rainbow baby in November.
Joy did have a miscarriage, but last night's episode was about Lauren's miscarriage she had last October.
DeleteWhile I agree that she needs help...please don’t ever tell anyone they should be happy because they’re young. That literally means nothing when you’re hurting.
DeleteGrief happens very differently for everyone. From a nurse's perspective I can tell you that just because someone is thing doesn't necessarily mean they'll bounce back faster, in fact, sometimes it's the opposite. It's totally normal to grieve and feel lost for what seems to be a unreasonably long time for some people. Time and a great support system will help her to be able to rebuild and find joy again.
Delete1:00PM: Lauren, not Joy. Joy did miscarry as well, but at 20 weeks.
DeleteHave you talked to young people?? Spend some time on Twitter. People 16-23 are overall not happy. People in that age range feel a lot of pressure to ‘figure out their life’. Most millennials are past this stage and now it is Gen Z’s Turn to have their ‘quarter life crisis’. Most people her age are in some type of post-secondary school (college or trade school). She is a Duggar wife. She is not expected to have a career. She is expected to stay home and make and raise babies. It has probably been entrained in her that her life purpose is nothing more to be a Godly woman and homemaker with a big family.
DeleteAlso, how many comments on this blog have said ‘when will Lauren and Josiah announce a pregnancy?’ That is what the public expects of her as well. I really hope she knew what she was getting into and that she chose this life, and didn’t have it forced upon her.
Joy was 5 months pregnant with Annabelle and she had to give birth to her
DeleteLauren was not only 4 weeks. A woman is around 4 weeks pregnant when a pregnancy test first comes back positive. She was likely 8 weeks.
DeleteI want to add everyone grieves differently. I still grieve my miscarriage from March, but it was after 5 years of infertility. To know you'll never have another chance at a family adds another layer of suffering.
Delete@1:32 Lauren's remembrance box clearly said that Asa was "made" in September and then lost a few days into October. That's not 8 weeks pregnant, that's 4 or 5 weeks at most.
DeleteIf she was only 4 weeks along, the embryo wouldn't have been easily recognizable as a baby.
Delete@8:34 That's what doesn't make sense. Her box label says 4 weeks, yet she keeps saying she saw her baby and all that.
Delete2:30, I agree. It doesn't make sense. Maybe she saw some tissue that resembled an embryo? It might explain why she was so traumatized.
DeleteWow! I am genuinely shocked at how rude and insensitive your comment is! First of all, it is Josiah's wife, Lauren, this post is discussing, not Joy Anna. Two, quite a few women believe the Bible teaches that a woman's place is to be her husband's help meet, which means it is her job to under Christ's law to be a homemaker. With that conviction, the desire for children is typically natural. As a plain Mennonite, I agree with that mindset 100%. And what on earth does her age have to do with anything? Do u5oi truly believe that she should not geieve the death of her child simply because if her age?! Lastly, who are you to deem how long her grievimg process should last or how heavily she ahould grieve? This woman's baby DIED!!! She and Josiah both have every right to their emotions. I almost get the impression you would prefer for them to pretend that everything is hunky dory! As someone that wanted to be a wife and mother more than anything her entire life, only to be deemed infertile and have to have a hysterectomy 2 days after my 34th birthday, I find your comment to be incredibly offensive and hurtful. I truly hope the Lauren and Josiah do not read this website simply because I would hate for them to read your cruel words.
DeleteThis show was so boring. The only good was when Jinger and Lissy visited Grandma Duggar. Don’t understand why it had to be at Kendra’s house. It was nice that they had a 4 generation picture with Grandma,Jinger,Lissy and Michelle. I would really enjoy seeing more of Jinger, Jeremy and Lissy ... much more interesting family. The showing of the program is too far past.... we already know know all they showed.
ReplyDeleteWell, Kendra & Joe could get paid for being on the show. ;)
DeleteThey literally explained in the episode why it was at Kendra's house.
DeleteI like that we see Michelle and Jim Bob. Poor Lauren I hope she feels better now, at least she has a lot of caring people around her.
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Maybe Abby could teach John some more "little nursing things."
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DeleteJust to make it clear this episode was filmed last November. Almost a year ago.
ReplyDeleteLauren is pregnant again and due soon.
Abby, Kendra and Anna are due pretty soon too.
Joy was pregnant too but her little girl passed away halfway through the pregnancy.
I don't think it was filmed last November: isn't Jessa further along in her pregnancy?
DeleteThis episode was NOT filed last November. Jessa said she was 5 months pregnant, and her due date was June 6, so at 5 months she was in January-February 2019.
DeleteIt was maybe filmed over a month or two. At one point they said Felicity was 5 months, which would be December or January.
DeleteJoy was only 4 months pregnant not 5 months. They said she lost it in June that 4 months so she wouldn't have had a baby in her yet.
DeleteAnon 1:00 - just because you are young does not guarantee that you will be “happy” and not depressed. There are many young people (some quite young) who suffer from depression. Sometimes it is triggered by an event; sometimes it is a non-specific, chemical, or hormonal imbalance. Lauren knows how she feels and talking it through and keeping family aware will help.
ReplyDeleteDo these girls take pregnancy tests once a week?
ReplyDeleteAnon 1.26. They must be keeping the local pharmacist in business with the cost of home pregnancy tests being as expensive as they are & the amount this family must go through every month. I imagine the local pharmacist hopes they never move as he must be virtually living in luxury because of the Duggar’s custom 😂.
Deletei was wondering that today too why can some have babies and some not
DeleteThey must. Otherwise there wouldn't have been time for all the activities that took place prior to Lauren's miscarriage.
DeleteYes. They have nothing else to do.
DeleteYes or else Lauren probably wouldn't have had time to realize she was pregnant before she wasn't again. I remember when Jill said she "stole" one of her mother's pregnancy tests from the bathroom when they announced that Israel was on his way. So they must keep a supply of them on hand always.
Delete12:01, you can buy pregnancy tests at the dollar store or in bulk on Amazon. They don't have to be expensive.
DeleteYou can buy packs of 20 on Amazon.
DeleteI wouldn't trust a dollar store pregnancy test. If she bought one there, perhaps she did have a false positive.
Deletecounting our blessings is important in life even when you lose a baby. i am adopted and i know how hard it was for my mom to come over the thought that she would never give birth to her own children. i ma not saying this to put anybody down but that people might be encouraged to count their blessings even through a time of lose and har circumstances. and i am sorry for whoever has lost their child through a miscarriage.
ReplyDeleteI wish TLC would cut back on the miscarriage story since Lauren is now almost to term with a baby girl. Yes miscarriage is tough- I have had 2 early miscarriages- but I dot know that Lauren had even been to a doctor yet! Joy is the one I feel more sorry for. Losing a baby at that point is tragic!! I wish all of them nothing but the best, however, & I look forward to all these baby girls due.
ReplyDeleteLosing a baby is tragic no matter when it occurs. And at that point in time on the show Lauren was not expecting again and Joy had not yet lost Annabelle. Also, what does having been to the doctor have to do with anything? She was still pregnant and she still lost a baby.
Delete@1:33- I'd agree that early miscarriage is heartbreaking. However, I think it's far more tragic to have lost a baby you've carried for months, heard its heart beat, and felt it move inside you.
DeletePerhaps I'm in the minority, but I don't see having a miscarriage as some sort of "blessing". It's more like a trial that people may have to face in life. IMO blessings are unexpected good things that happen in life.
ReplyDeleteI really like Abbie. John has turned into a cheese ball, but it’s ok, it’s funny 😄
ReplyDeleteEnjoyed most of the show. Loved the scenes with Grandma Mary. It was nice to see Jessa and Ben include Jana and Anna at the sonogram appointment.
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The only precious thing about this episode was Jinger and Felicity visiting with Great Grandma Duggar. That was precious time and getting to take pictures. I only watch the show to see Jinger, Jeremy and Felicity; as they are much more interesting. It’s just great watching them and really seeing the love they for one another.
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed the sister's time together. I think they had a good visit/talk. I thought the honeymoon was nice. I liked the ice house designs. I liked how each told in there own way how they loved Grandma Duggar. It was a better than normal show. Waiting patiently to watch the gender reveal parties. Natasha B.
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