Joy and Austin Forsyth just filmed a promotional video for Fort Rock Family Camp. At Fort Rock, owned by Austin's parents, families can spend time together, disconnect from the outside world, and enjoy a variety of fun activities. You can watch the video below. For more info, check out fortrock.org.
Photo courtesy duggarfamily.com; video courtesy fortrock.org/Joy and Austin Forsyth
Why does Austin think dads don’t spend time with their kids?
ReplyDeleteMany don't. Too busy earning a tough living and them decompressing when they get home.
DeleteI know, I thought the same. And yes, I already like my kids.
DeleteBecause there are amazingly many dads that don’t spend time with their kids. Either because they are too busy working and consequently too tired when they get home, or because they don’t know how to connect with their kids.
DeleteWhat he said makes me wonder how his dad treated his family and how Austin treats his own family. You don't come up with something like that out of the blue, not unless that's how you've viewed fatherhood.
DeleteHe was repeating his lines for the video. Who knows what he really thinks.
DeleteI don't recall him saying that.
DeleteSee my reply to anon @ 2:36 January 27th.
DeleteUm..... what?
DeleteMaybe he's basing his words on what he and his family have seen from years of working with families.
DeleteIt's true for many families what he says. Not for all. But he hears what parents tell him after being at that camp so I assume lots of parents have told him so and conversations at camp are around these themes.
Delete@10:23, if that's true then Austin needs to meet more families, maybe outside of his camp. Come to my neighborhood where on any given evening (weather willing) there are dads out playing ball with kids, pushing strollers while walking dogs, or following kids on tricycles down the sidewalk. My one neighbor's the local Cub Scout leader. Another works from home and watches their little one. I think Austin is terribly out of touch with what fatherhood is really like these days. Either that, or he's seeing bad examples. I'll bet our own blog moderator's husband will be an involved father with their new one...
DeleteWhat Austin said is true and unfortunately it goes with working moms. Parents work and some are deployed over seas. That's the reality. Father's don't get to spend a lot of time with their family.
DeleteI can't imagine Austin would say anything like that, I'm pretty sure he's an amazing daddy to his lovely son
DeleteHow lucky you and the people in your neighborhood are. I worked in an after school learning program and it was appalling how many children were being raised by grandparents, aunts or "friends". I think Austin has probably seen some of that. It was sad to see how hungry these children were for the attention of male volunteers. That's what the atmosphere was like for the children in our "neighborhood".
Delete@10:23. Totally agree! I see fathers involved in family life way more than when I was a kid! Most dads in my area are very hands on!
Delete3:13 -- His family runs a family camp. I'm sure they get feedback. Besides, most of us know that a major problem today is kids not getting enough parenting from their fathers, if any. Ask James Dobson or Focus on the Family.
Delete@1:11 You can't ask a preacher like that and expect to get an opinion based on anything but what happens in the small circle around him of people just like him. How about going to an average public elementary school - totally off their radar - and ask the dads about how they parent. There's where you'll find the dads in Scouts, the dads who help with homework and science fair projects, the dads who go on field trips, the dads who use the playground on weekends with their kids, and so on. Austin and his family have never experienced anything but stay-at-home moms and working dads who probably have to work twice as long because the wife isn't allowed to have a paying job to help support the large number of children they will inevitably have. That is not the norm in the US these days.
DeleteWhy question his own relationship with Dad. It has nothing to do with that. Not every neighborhood have hands on dad's.
DeleteMost dads in my neighborhood are lazy deadbeats who are only interested in one thing and could care less about their kids.
Many kids here are being raised by Granny, friend, and noone else.
I'm really surprise that somebody didn't vknow this in 21st century.
This sounds like fun. Joy and Austin look so cute together. I am just waiting for those people who think they know these two off screen and making up stuff about them. It's just unfair how people judge both Austin and Joy. Austin because they say he looks like he would he hateful and terrible husband from the outside but nobody knows his heart but God and Joy, and how he is as a husband to her when the cameras aren't rolling. They also judge Joy because she's so young. It was her choice to become a wife and mother. You can't make people who lives a different life than you do what you want. While some claim she is being controlled like the other Duggar women with no proof what so ever, you are also wanting to control what they do and say what they should be doing with their lives. That is really hypocritical. Joy, Austin and Gideon looks happy to me. Their happiness is all that matters.
ReplyDeleteI agree! They look so happy. We don't know anything about what goes on when the cameras are not on.
DeleteIt's jealousy, that's why they make up stuff about Austin.
DeletePreach~!
DeleteWhat?!?! I don’t recall the degree of criticism that you are going on and on and on about here. You are so defensive and I’m not sure why. Austin and Joy seem like any other couple to me.
DeleteTime 2:51AM Sun 1/27/19
ReplyDeleteYes great video Austin & Joy Forsyth about fort rock camp.
Dads "don't interact with their families on a normal week-to-week basis." Did Austin really say that?! What a negative generalization to make about fathers!
ReplyDeleteHe's right about many dads, at least where I live.
DeleteExactly. Strange thing to say, especially for a family who will probably have 10+ kids.
DeleteYes. I found that rather off putting myself. Does he think that because a man goes off to work at a job, he doesn't "spend time" with his family?
DeleteYou're taking what he said out of context.
Delete2:36AM: I agree, negative generalizations. And equally Joy said Moms can take a break from their chores. She should say...Moms can unplug too, take a break from their jobs, and interact with their families.
DeleteHe was referring to his father-in-law.
DeleteYes He said that because unfortunately many dad and moms(which mentioned moms too) are so busy with work they are too tired to have "quantity" time with their children. Sure they can spend an half our of "quality" time with their children reading a book to them or throwing a ball. However it's not just what we do, it's how much time are we as parents willing to spend time with them.
Deleteactually he's right on point and it isnt negative at all. think of it like this: there are 24 hrs in a day. estimate 8 for sleep, 8 for work and that only leaves you with 8 hrs for your family. and lets not forget travel time to and from work. that gives you less than 1/3 of your time for anything you have to do for you (dr apt, etc) and your family. so in reality, fathers have considerably less time to interact with their families. correct me if i'm wrong but i think he means if you're at fort rock, it's more of like being on vacation and it gives you the opportunity to spend more time together
DeleteI knew people was going to take that wrong. What he meant was most dad's work all day and for divorced families, usually the father only see's the children every other weekend. Don't turn it into something it's not. You are only doing that because you don't like Austin. People has been jealous of Joy and Austin's relationship since the beginning. They want to control Joy and tell her that she should had went to college and instead of making her own choices. They make it sound like being a wife and mom is bad.
DeleteHe said they may not interact with their families.... not that they don’t or never do. Life is busy and sometimes dads work a lot. His point is that camp is a place where people can disconnect from their cell phones and spend quality time together. Look around the next time you go out to eat and see how many families are sitting at the table all on their cell phones and not even talking. Sometimes families need to get away to focus on each other.
Delete@Elly - he said exactly that. Nothing was taken out of context. Rerack the video. I cringed when I heard it too because it's such a sweeping statement to make about dads and certainly not true for everyone. @7:09 - they aren't going to get any divorced dads with their kids at that camp.
Delete7:09 I think Austin meant exactly what he said.He said "Dads don't interact with their families on a normal week to week basis" He was clear. I don't think you should explain what he "meant" to say according to you just because you don't actually like what he said.
DeleteBoth Austen and Joy come from conservative families, where dad works all day, mom stays home and there are more than a couple of children in the family. Their description of moms and dads' strict roles (mom having chores to do and dads working all day) are not the norm for many modern families.
DeleteHere, many Dads are very engaged in their children's lives. They volunteer coach their sport teams, they spend time on the weekends with them, they help them with their homework. And some work from home. They are involved in their children's lives already.
It helps that the parents are not struggling to support a large family. The kids are attending school during the day and mom also works, either full-time and part-time. And Dad and Mom work at jobs that are not physically demanding; they are not exhausted after work.
Having only 2 or 3 children means a lot more quality time available per child them having 4 or 6 or 19.
8:17, um, Austin’s parents only have two kids, him and his sister. I know couples who only have two children and are still not involved in their lives (dads and moms) and I know couples with 5+ children who are thriving, are involved in all of their kids lives and have great relationships with them. Some of those families still only have one parent who works and one who stays home and homeschools (typically the mom although I know one family where the dad is the stay at home parent and the mom works). It really is a family by family situation, and has more to do with the parents personalities than anything else.
Delete@6:54 What you left out of that math equation is the fact that most kids are in school 6-8 hours a day, 5 days a week, too. So this father, if he could be off work those same 6-8 hours, would be wandering around an empty house, not able to interact with anyone even if he wanted to. (You asked to be corrected.)
DeleteAustin didn't mean the way you think it does. Usually dads and moms work who don't get to see their children a lot. Sometimes they work all day that they don't get home until after their children is in bed. Think about all our soldiers over seas that don't get to see their family for a long time. I think you guys are trying to twist it - anything to make Austin sound bad. Everything Austin does people try to twist it. Typical.
Delete1) for @2:45 am who said no divorced dads will go to the camp. Talk about generalizations! Why not? What a great dad-child bonding event!
Delete2) That's nice so many families on this commenting board have dads who spend many hours per day with their kids but that simply is not true for much of North America. Dads strongly involved with small children are the exception rather than the rule.
4:44 -- 6:54 was right. 8 hours sleep, 8 hours for work (at which time kids are in school plus homework and activities), travel time to and from work, leaving less than 8 hours free. It's entirely correct. Men DO have less time with their kids than a stay-at-home mom has, even assuming the kids are in school and have activities, due to travel times and also the need to decompress after work -- which even Focus on the Family has discussed as healthy.
Deleteto anon 1/28 @ 4:44 - you are absolutely correct!! i didnt count the hours the children would be at school figuring they'd be in school roughly the same hours (here, depending on what grade you're in depends on what time schools start & get out so some are during 'rush hour traffic'). and then there's after school activities like sports & clubs, which if you arent coaching or part of, that's more time away! that remaining 8 hours could be down to 3 or 4 hours!
Deletei was very lucky to be able to have my husband be a stay-at-home dad since i had insurance and he didnt. it actually worked out perfect for us at the time, but, there werent very many fathers with that option. and honestly, during the years between #1 and #5, we did see more and more fathers at dr & dentist apts and my we commented on it as being so awesome! of course we were both involved in all their extracurricular activities, and we were very grateful that they actually wanted us to be!
i personally know nothing about fort rock other than watching these videos, but anything or any place that can get a family together for quality time, for any length of time, is ok in my book!
Austin could have stated it better. Rather than saying dads don’t spend enough time with children, he could have left out the generalization altogether and just stated it in a positive light. “Fort Rock gives dads the opportunity to spend more time with their children, time that they don’t always have in their day to day lives.”
Delete11:56 -- Yes, and if he had scripted it, perhaps he would have said it a different way. People don't always speak perfectly in real life. How many times have we all said something that we wished you could go back and say in a slightly different way?
Delete@7:17. Please do not lump all of North America in one pot. Mexico, the US and Canada are VERY different countries. What is the norm, in say the Southern States, is not the norm in Nova Scotia, for example.
DeleteHere, fathers are increasing spending time with their children, especially young fathers. They are sharing child care responsibilities with their partners. I know of no father that does not spend time with their children on a "normal week-to-week basis".
Let us not forget that this camp is a ministry.
I like Joy's outfit. Love her boots.
ReplyDeleteDear Austin and Joy, I would like my family and I to go fort rock family camp to get away from every day normal activities and also to enjoy family time with each other. just tell us when it is and how much it cost for next year and please reply back with the web site information as soon as possible. Natasha B
ReplyDeleteJust go to the Fort Rock Family camp site. All the information is there.
DeleteNatasha click on the link above and it will take you the website. I highly encourage you to go as I'm sure it will be a blessing to you and your family.
DeleteSo they escaped the big city to go to Fort Rock?
ReplyDeleteAustin and Joy? Hardly. His family bought the camp when he was a child and Joy has lived in the Duggar family compound her whole life until she married Austin.
DeleteIt's a nice place to go and relax.
DeleteShoot, Id escape the big city!
DeleteIt was a joke. They don't even live in the big city.
DeleteBeautiful family. God Bless.
ReplyDeleteJoan,Marion and Marilyn
They're a cute couple, seem solid. I wish them the best.
ReplyDeleteAustin came across as rather pompous especially when he implied that dads don't interact with their families in the normal course of daily life. Other families have different lives than he and Joy do, but it's not a bad thing that the father goes to a job outside the home. He should have been less abrasive IMO.
ReplyDeleteI think his point may have been that a lot of dads (and I say a lot because I know many like this) don’t make time for their kids. Some will be gone at work for most of the day and as soon as they get home start playing video games. When you are married and have children the time for that has passed, you need to be involved in your children’s lives while they’re still young, otherwise when they’re older they won’t WANT to hang out with you or have you as a part in their lives because you never invested in them. I grew up with an amazing father who has always put his family first, and had many friends growing up who would make comments about how much my dad actually cared about my siblings and I. Sadly that’s not the case in many families, and is not something you should take for granted.
DeleteAustin was by no means abrasive or out of context. He put things kindly saying ‘may not’ or other such gentle ways of saying it, in no way judging. And with as many years as they’ve had the camp, I’m thinking 🤔 he was talking from experience- likely what previous campers have told them. Not likely from negative experience from his own father.
DeleteAnd here’s a question for all of you critics. People that are councillors, do you think that they have literally experienced the type of counselling that they are specializing in, or is it because they care about people that are experiencing whatever it is that they are going through that brought them to the need of a councillor? There is a possibility that some become councillors on account of what they experienced (and praise God for that because that means that they are then survivors, not victims) but my personal feeling is they do it because they care about people who are experiencing that particular thing. I know that’s my own opinion, it’s not gospel truth, but I’m putting it out here for some food for thought....
People getting what he said all twisted is hilarious and really reaching all because you don't like him. What Austin said is the truth. Even working moms don't get to see their kids often.
DeleteAustin said nothing about moms connecting, only dads. In his world, there is no such thing as a working mom. Yet another thing that didn't sit right about what he said.
DeleteFamily getaways are good and Fort Rock seems like a nice place. I'm glad Austin gets to live in a rural area, but his rather sweeping condemnation of other fathers was in poor taste.
ReplyDeleteHe's right when it comes to low income families. 5 kids, no daddy at all. This would be a good place for those 5 kids. He probably had to generalize or come off sounding harsh...which everyone has already pointed out so..there ya have it. Low income, no daddy in the picture
DeleteMany dad's are not around due to divorce, death, etc.. boys need a positive role model in their lives
DeleteIt was in no way a sweeping condemnation!! It was put very kindly as a possibility! And all too often it is the case! My husband cares very much about our kids, and does frequently try to do stuff with them, but for several years during the winter he had to leave Monday early morning for work (camp) and didn’t get home till sometime on Saturday and then due to the lack of sleep while he was away (getting called out at night to fix stuff) he was super tired during the short day and a half he had at home and consequently slept a fair bit. He most certainly got very little time with his children, and felt like he hardly knew them! So when we had a 10 day holiday at a private cabin some friends lent us, where there was no cell service, it was an amazing get away! Learning to know his children better as well as also getting a closer relationship with God though nature and the absence of electronics. We all benefited that way! Life happens! My husband has since changed jobs so he can be with us more which is lovely, but now with the oilfield the way it out here in Alberta he may lose his job yet.. 🙁
DeleteMuch of the problem with kids today is that they don't have strong fathers in the home. Just because some of you here have husbands who are there for you and the kids doesn't negate that Austin is dead right, in general.
DeleteHow do you think "low income" families, minus dads, are going to get to Fort Rock? On top of transportation costs, it's $350 minimum for the camp plus $75-110 extra per person on top of that. Definitely not within reach of "low income" families.
Delete3:45 - Actually it is if the low-income families are responsible with money and it doesn't spend it on cigarettes, drugs, alcohol and don't play around with their money - especially dad's who like to play video games. Money can go down the drain really quick.
DeleteMany dads from wealthy families are barely present in the lives of their children. They work hard to make big money but that leaves no time for the kids. One man I worked with literally went to ONE basketball game between Gr 8-12 ie in 5 yrs! I am fascinated that so many commenters have dads around the young kids that much. Great but very unusual.
DeleteTo Sara at 11:01 am. We are in Alberta, too, and I totally understand what you are saying. Everyone on our street has the dads gone 10 days on, 10 off or 20 on, 10 off. Dads are working hard to provide for their families but need to find that right balance of being around the kids. Good to take a holiday as a family. I thought Austin was encouraging, not condemning.
DeleteAnon 3:45. That's a good point. There are other far less expensive options available to families who want to do a getaway and bond.
DeleteReply to Anonymous 3:45: I'm a single mom with very low income. I know the struggle is real. We can't all do what we want to do, but I know that God provides for our needs each day. There are some camps that give scholarships, or a reduced rate based on income. If not this camp, then try others. My daughter has been able to go to a Christian summer camp for 9 summers, because of their financial aid.
Delete7:15 You are out of touch with what it means to be a low-income family and implying that all low-income people waste money on drugs and alcohol. That's an unfair thing to say about families who are struggling and absolutely do not have money to "waste" on the things you say nor the inclination to do so in the first place.
DeleteAnon 7:15 You are really out of the loop when it comes to low income families. I was a single mom for many years. It was a struggle to just afford the basic necessities. A getaway like this one was out of the question. Low income families for the most part are very responsible with their money and don't fritter it away. I think you were very unkind in your generalization.
DeleteThere are lots of ways that Dads connect and spend time with their children. My Dad and Mom would take every other Saturday and about noon to one we would drive over to KFC and buy a family size meal and with a blanket in tow along with some cans of pop we would have a picnic in our metro park. We then would pick a trail and walk together sharing our hearts with each other. I think weekend vacations with packing and traveling and the money involved not only is out of reach for some families but also can be stressful which defeats the purpose of time together. We met other families at the park who became life long friends. We also as a family would take long walks through the neighborhood, stopping at a convenience store and Dad and Mom would let us pick out a candy bar or ice cream. We have good examples of parents who worked hard, teaching us a good work ethic and also taught us that we are loved, to also love God and love others. That's how we are going to raise our children too.
DeleteI just sent my "low-income" friend a check and I'm sure she's going to spend it on drugs...she has an infection and needs antibiotics on top of the boat-load of medicine she had to pay co-pays for because her son had 2 heart surgeries since Thanksgiving. Was she irresponsible for paying the utility bills and the grocery bills this month, leaving her skinned? Should I have sent her to camp instead? Sorry but 7:15's comments hit me wrong tonight. Walk a mile in my friend's shoes, or the shoes of countless families like hers.
Delete11:01 - I’m grateful you put your story on this blog. I wish people would read it carefully. Your husband sounds like a very loving parent. No small part of parents’ responsibilities is to keep your children safe and healthy and keep them housed and fed. That is exactly what your husband is doing. And when he comes home, he deserves to rest. It sounds like he spends as much time with your children as he can and that’s all you can ask. I know what a concern job security can be. I wish your family the best.
DeleteI find it very sad Austin doesn’t think Dad’s interact with their families on a day to day basis. My own Dad was very involved, and now my husband makes a great effort with our daughters. As soon as he comes home from work he’s asking what he can do to help, holding a baby, helping with homework, asking how ballet lessons are going etc. He’s engaging and genuine with his desire to be as involved..daily..with his family. He works very hard to provide a lovely life for us, and works very hard to be a part of it. I know how blessed I am, and know many Dads who are the same.
ReplyDeleteThese are anon in here that is over reaching. It's obviously the same anon based off of how they spell. Austin did not mean it in the way you think or want it too. What Austin said is true. Maybe you are a father and is getting triggered by what he said because maybe you are one of those dad's who don't spend enough time with their child but it's not work that's keeping you, it's just you play around to much. There are dad's like that or who are at work all day. Maybe they are in the military. Mom's who work don't get to see their kids either.
DeleteI'm not sure everyone heard Austin the way you did. I tend to agree with your assessment. Others seem to think he was trying to make people want to come to Fort Rock. For myself I don't find the idea of having to bring your own bedding and towels on a trip very relaxing because of the amount of stuff you have to try to fit in your vehicle along with your family and their luggage. Then you have to make up beds when you get there, pack everything back in your car when you leave and do an enormous amount of laundry when you get home. Too much work for one or two days of "relaxation" IMO. I'll do family bonding elsewhere.
DeleteYou are not understanding what he is saying
DeleteI think that 6:46 is merely pointing out that Austin was making an overly broad generalization about families.
DeleteWe have been to Fort Rock once as a family and then my husband took our son to one camp that was for men. Our time spent there was fun and relaxing. I definitely recommend it!
ReplyDeleteY’all, calm down with what Austin said about dads. He’s merely making the point that Parents may have a hard time making time for their kids. Fort rock is a place to reconnect with your family. In Austin’s defense, all the men he knows are the patriarch of the family. They work while the women stay home and take care of kids. Men that he associates with are always working and gave little interaction with their kids. Joys belief system revolves around men working and women raising the kids...
ReplyDeleteExactly!
DeleteYes. However, he wasn't very tactful in his presentation. In the real world one weekend at Fort Rock isn't going fix everything. Ah to be young and idealistic again!!
DeleteJoy thinks that a trip like this will give moms a break from things? There's Mom rocking the baby, probably after feeding it. You know who packed everyone up for the trip with clean clothes, who did all the last-minute chores to make the house ready for their departure, and who arranged for possible pet care. You know who will be doing a mountain of laundry when they get back as well as cleaning out the fridge, restocking it, and getting the meals back on track. Vacations make MORE work for a mom, not less! My mother knew it, I know it... It's the price you pay for going away.
ReplyDeleteIt may be more work before and after but it still gives you time away. I love when I don’t have to plan meals and cook for several days... not to mention not doing laundry and dishes and picking up the house.... and running errands.... it is nice to get away from those things even if it is just temporary.
DeleteIn that vein, accommodations at Fort Rock work like this: you bring your own bedding (sheets, pillows, blankets, etc.) and towels and other bathroom necessities like a bathmat, shampoo and soap. Of course after you return home someone has a massive amount of laundry to do. It might be relaxing there but the logistics of the getaway leaves a lot to be desired IMO.
DeleteThere's always pros and cons to taking a holiday with family. But I prefer to focus on the pluses whilst away - Mum doesn't have to buy, prepare or cook a meal just turn up with the family, no washing to do for a week and no school routines..... A change is as good as a rest for everyone.
DeletePS I clean out the fridge weekly when I restock it with my food shop - no biggie.
You make a good point!
DeleteHa - so true about the work! And I saw the website said that you have to bring your own sheets and towels, so add that to the laundry that would need to be done when you return!
DeleteI smell a feminist. If you watch the show, both the women and men do the SAME chores. And I believe Joy is breast-feeding... There's really nothing Austin can do about that.
DeleteTo anon 11:03 am, a little laugh. Some commenters think dads do everything so maybe Joy meant the dad can unpack and do laundry lol! Some commenters think dads do nothing so maybe Joy meant mom has to do it all. Oh my. Some of the commenters here pick at every detail. Basically the message is Fort Rock is a nice family place.
Delete2:44- If Mom is doing all the grocery shopping and meal prep at home without any help from her husband and kids, she’s got bigger problems than can be relieved with time away at a place like Fort Rock. She needs to get away with her girlfriends and lie on a beach somewhere for awhile.
Delete1:19 All those chores you mention should be the responsibilty of the entire family. One person shouldn't be left with them.
DeleteEvery man, woman, boy and girl should be a feminist — a person who believes in and supports the social, economic, and political equality of women. I’m so tired of miseducated people using feminism as an insult or dirty word. Why would anyone demean the ideology of equal rights for women? Ask yourself!
Delete11:39 I think the word itself sparks fear in those who are insecure about their own role in society or know that they are guilty of not treating women equally.
DeleteSeems like a great place to go.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure Fort Rock is a nice place but after checking out the accommodations I don't see it as a very relaxing getaway for whoever has to pack up for the trip as you have to bring all your own bedding, towels and bathroom supplies then do a mountain of laundry when you get back home. I'd rather just go to a motel somewhere and lounge around the pool for a day or two with my family. However, if people like going there they should.
ReplyDeleteI thought it a bit much when the base price for 3 nights was $350 plus $110 for any anyone over 13 and $75 per child and you have to bring your own bedding and towels with you. It was pretty spartan for the price IMO.
DeleteI rather take my own bedding, towels and bathroom supplies. You don't know how clean motels are and if they actually wash the bedding.
DeleteAnon 7:20. You don't know if motels wash the bedding between guests? Are you serious? Best excuse I've ever heard for NOT staying at a motel. lol
DeleteDateline or one of those shows did a simple test of a bunch of different hotels and found something like more than half don't wash the sheets. They sprayed the bedding with invisible marking that could only be seen with a black light and then checked out and came back the next day. Most were the same sheets.
DeleteIs Joy pregnant again? I hope she is! Then Gideon can have a brother or sister!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteWhy do you think she's pregnant?
DeleteHe'll get one soon enough. What's the rush?
DeleteThis person is obviously trolling and pretending to be an over enthusiastic person (hence the 20 exclamations)
DeleteJoy had a csection less than a year ago. If she were pregnant right now that could cause complications for her and her baby, so for their sakes I’d hope that they’re not trying to get pregnant right now.
DeleteWhat if joy dosent want any more kids
DeleteI hope not. She needs to wait another year before having her next baby. She had a C-section you know.
DeleteWhat's the hurry? Let her enjoy the one she has.
DeleteThis was a sales pitch to get people to go to Fort Rock. I listened, checked out the website and found that it didn't appeal to me due to the accommodation factors and costs involved for a one or two night stay. Others may like the place but I'll go elsewhere to bond with my family.
ReplyDeleteI'd never take my child somewhere where shooting guns, archery, and throwing axes were the recreations.
DeleteAnon 10:25. I agree with you about the guns. There are far too many "accidents" with guns for me to be comfortable around them, especially when they are being used by people I don't know.
DeleteYes, what happened to "Thou shall not kill"? That idea doesn't begin with putting a weapon in your child's hands, even if it's only target practice. Too many kids can't appropriately channel the feeling of power once they hold a weapon, no matter how many adults are there to "instruct" them.
DeleteI'd love for my children to learn gun safety and archery. The right to bear arms is protected by the 2nd Amendment, and archery is an Olympic sport.
Delete@1:05. The desire to own guns is deeply ingrained in the American psyche. However, in light of the number of people killed and wounded by guns, I'm not sure we're doing ourselves much of a favor with this particular right.
Delete3:11 PM -- Without killing, much of the world would be speaking German right now. The commandment refers to murder.
DeleteBearing arms is a worldly, constitutional right but not a Christian’s right. When Jesus told Peter to put his sword away, He was telling all of us the same.
Delete4:07. Having an armed military and law enforcement is one thing, but armed citizens is quite another. With so many mass shootings in this country, more needs to be done to regulate guns. I’d think pro/lifers would be on board with that!
DeleteAnon 10:49 The protecting of the unborn is vital along with the protection of your family from rapist and murderers etc. There is a time to live and a time to die, there is a time for peace and a time for war. If someone breaks into my house it is war, and that person knew the odds when they chose to break in and do my family harm. As far as the unborn the murder of them is protected by the blood thirsty law makers, but we aren't given up and will fight to change that.
DeleteEven if fathers don't normally interact with their children as Austin seems to believe, I don't see how a weekend at Fort Rock is going to fix that issue. It takes more than one weekend to establish a pattern of behavior and create a strong parental bond.
ReplyDeleteDon't despise small beginnings - fort rock may be a good place to start new patterns and renew relationships. Everyone has to start somewhere.
DeleteJust watched the video AFTER reading the comments. I expected to hear an insincere narration from a business trying to make money. I was expecting the worst since everyone described Austin as pompous or making generalizations.
ReplyDeleteWhat I heard was a sweet ad for a camp that sounds like a nice place to go and that has a wonderful mission.
Not sure how anyone got “pompous” from a guy who said his goal was to take care of his guests and help said guests love their families? Also not sure where the sweeping generalizations come in to play regarding his statement: “connect with their children in a way they probably don’t at home,” considering:
-1/4 fathers aren’t in the home
-Of families with working mothers, fathers provide the care 18% of the time
-in custody cases, 7% of fathers get custody
-men work an average of 40.8 hours outside of the home a week. Factor in sleep and commute and oftentimes hobbies of both parent and child, and they are left with little time with children
-21% of fathers take a child to an activity each week
-30% read to a child or help with homework each week
-65% talk about the child’s day each week. This may seem like a win, but...really? That still means at least 4 out of 10 fathers don’t even talk to their child each day.
It isn’t a stretch to say fathers MAY need a push to connect with their families.
-Hayley
Right on, Hayley! I agree with you... and I think people here are just thinking about them own selves and how it’s going on in their lives and basing their comments on that rather than what’s going on around them. Yes, I have a good life with my husband and children and we all work together but I need to think of others and how it’s going with the general population before I comment. So, thankyou for your wisdom in your comments. I have been noticing them.
DeleteI agree with you, 1:12. My husband puts effort into bonding with our children, but many do not. My dad was always out of town or too stressed to bond, and even now in my adulthood I have to ask him to respond to me or hug me. Very sad.
DeleteThere’s a reason the Bible repeatedly talks about the hearts of men returning to their children. Neglecting the family is a very common and easy snare.
Have a really nice day, friend.
-Hayley
Hayley, I so appreciate your statistics and wise words. It really saddens me that so many people can’t see that what Austin is saying is true, as well as kindly said
DeleteSo critics of Austyn in this video........you think fathers should spend less time with their families? He is not being critical, he is just saying spending time is good and he is right. Stop looking for a devil in every detail.
ReplyDeletePeople are saying that the fathers in they know already spend time with their children in their day-to-day lives and know their interests. The fathers are active in their development and care about raising their children to be good people.
DeleteIt's sad that Austin thinks one week at their camp will change a man's perspective on who his kids are. If these are the type of families the camp attracts then it is time for those men to reprioritze their lives and raise their children.
Austin needs a "translator". Why? People can hear what he's saying and interpret it for themselves.
DeleteAnon.2:27PM- I agree! That's the way I took it. Austin and Joy are a cute couple, so down to earth.:) Jane
DeleteEven people are nitpicking his words and saying he should have said it this way and that way! Ridiculous! We’re all human and we can’t get everything right and perfect for everyone! If I was doing a video, I’d finally have to pick out a way to represent it and leave it be. And that would be hard to do, personally, in their position, knowing all the critics out there are just waiting to pounce on their humaness and make bologna out of it. Let’s all learn about life from each other! Easy! We don’t need to pounce on each other!
DeleteNo. I get the impression that people complaining about Austin think he lives in a bubble and that he seems to believe that all men are alike and following the role models he's seen all his life.
Delete1:22- Austin’s video is an advertisement or promo for his family’s camp. He makes himself a target, just as they do by having a TV show. That’s ok for the adults, but I am not impressed by people who compromise the privacy of their own children as a matter of course.
DeleteAnon 6:25 I agree with you. I don't think Austin and Joy see it that way, especially since Joy has been on TV since early childhood. They think it's "normal".
DeleteI think Austin is an earnest young man who means well, but his overly simple solutions to what is a complex issue is rather annoying. Parents don't WANT to "work too much", they work in order to provide for their families. I didn't understand the part about competing against other families. Why would anyone need to do that? I thought the purpose of the camp was to get away and relax. If this place appeals then by all means go there, but the accommodations aren't my cup of tea as I don't want to bring my own bedding and towels on a "getaway" weekend.
ReplyDeleteWell we KNOW this is a Christian camp. Proof: They have a rifle range. lol
ReplyDeleteThe verse where Jesus talks about the Godliness of weaponry is my favorite one.
DeleteAnon 10:34. That made my day. I'll pass it on.
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