Jeff Danker, a bow hunter featured on The Sportsman Channel's "BuckVentures," will join Jim Bob Duggar as a guest speaker at this year's conference, which will focus on Ephesians 6. Attendees are encouraged to bring their favorite handgun, bows, and arrows. The CMOW retreat runs from Wednesday, August 9th, through Saturday, August 12th. The costs before taxes are below. Click here to register on the Fort Rock website.
Adults 16 years and older: $175
Children ages 5-15: $125
Children ages 4 and under: Free
*Prices include meals, lodging, and activities.
Photo courtesy duggarfamily.com
Wow that's a bargain considering how we have had to pay for our family to go to the Above Rubies family camps in CA.
ReplyDeleteWhy do you have to give that kind of money to some organization? Why can't you stay home, save the money, and do your own studies? Or get together with friends locally? I have a real problem with seminars that charge hundreds of dollars just to get in. You can watch stuff on YouTube for free, or read a library book for the same price...
DeleteSometimes it's also about the experience of getting away and spending time with others while you're learning.
DeleteProbably because it's more fun to go to a big family camp, and the organization provides services for what you pay?
DeleteYou can't be serious, right?
ReplyDelete"Attendees are encouraged to bring their favorite handgun, bows and arrows" and then a few sentences later they give the discounted rate for children 5-15 and say that children under 4 are free. Just... wow.
ReplyDeleteWow! That's cheap! I wish I were a guy and lived in Arkansas! LOL
ReplyDeleteI wish I could go too.
Delete"Bring your favorite handgun." Sounds ominous, and not very Christian. Thall shalt not....
ReplyDeleteShoot targets?? I think there's NOTHING wrong with owing a firearm.
DeleteKill is the word you are looking for. Murder is the actual translation from the Hebrew text. If we read the Bible we can clearly see that God has no issue with us taking a life when its absolutely necessary. Protecting ones family, congregation, city, state or nation against threats is a duty found in the Bible. Violence begets violence is not a call against using force, it's a warning to those who would prey on others.
DeleteNot defending people when their lives are in danger makes us responsible if they are killed 8:42
DeleteThis camp will prepare the men to kill others if they think someone's life is in danger? Wow.
DeleteAnd no, you're not held legally responsible (in the US) if you don't defend people.
Good grief! There is no "Thou shalt not own a gun."
DeleteIn England, "thou shalt not" own a gun.
DeleteThere are a lot of "shalt nots" that apply to everyday life now, that weren't around 2000 years ago when parchments were scribed. Texting and driving would have had to be scribing and camel riding?
11:14 I was not saying the camp trains to kill others in defense. I believe that people who think it is wrong to kill even for those who are in danger are wrong. The Amish and Mennonite people don't believe in war even for the sake of their country and families. If people don't defend their fellow man for good and then they suffer, we are in responsible for that, maybe not legally, but in a sense.
DeleteWhat a sweet picture. Hope everyone is nice to you while your there
ReplyDeleteis that baby Henry or baby Samuel that Jim Bob is holding in this picture
ReplyDeleteThats Henry, there have been no pictures of grandparents or aunts and uncles meeting and holding baby Samuel, its all very strange considering every member of the family usually sees and holds the new babies soon after birth or when they come home.
DeleteWe LOVE Jim Bob!! Would be great to hear him speak in person. He is a true man of God who loves the Lord and his family so much. He is also full of wisdom - Godly wisdom.
ReplyDeleteWith all due respect, what does Jim Bob have to say that we haven't heard already multiple times?
ReplyDeleteJust noticed the prices. That's an expensive camp for a man plus his kids, especially if he has more than one! Our family could never afford that.
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DeleteThe Fort Rock website introduces JimBob and Michelle, who will be guest speakers at an upcoming event, as being "from TLC's 'Counting On'". According to some frustrated fans on this blog, they never see them on this show. Either they are featured or not.
ReplyDeleteAm I correct in stating this "men's conference" is in reality a hunting trip? If so; how is it that these devout Christian men feel justified in murdering God's innocent animals???
ReplyDeleteNo, you should not assume that. My husband attends a men's retreat every year. They shoot bows and hand guns during their fellowship time. And the cost of the camp is $250 per person. Nothing unreasonable about this event at all. If you've ever attended weekend retreats, you would know that.
DeleteI think they're just shooting at targets this time. You go off and do the real shooting on your own time and conscience, later.
Delete"Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
DeleteGod gave over the animals for us to eat. You can call it what ever you like, I call it meal preparation, or dinner for short.
Please read carefully-Nowhere does it say they will be shooting animals. Many secular and non-secular Men's Conferences (as well as kids summer camps) feature weapons training. They target shoot. No reasonable sane person wants to shoot another. However, the person breaking into your home has already exhibited ill intent as he has no good reason to be there...likewise, the person attempting to rob you or a store, the person bringing a gun/weapon onto school grounds, the disgruntled employee packing a weapon at your workplace. The commandment translates "Thou shalt not murder."- to kill without just cause.
DeletePlease do not assume/pass judgement that all hunting is done "for sport". For sport either means that the animal is a confined kill (enclosed preserve) or that the animal is killed select parts are taken for trophy, and the meat is left to rot/for scavengers. True hunting is a challenge and a skill and many hunters put meat on the table for their family (or in many communities such as mine, homeless shelters). True hunters honor and abide by their state's hunting laws and expect others to do the same; they teach their children and grandchildren to respect and appreciate nature including the animals they hunt. They aid the Wildlife and Game Commission in keeping the delicate balance balance of animal population in check, as well as reporting any violations. They hunt within the established limits and respect them, taking no more than they need.
In the Bible God killed an animal to clothe Adam and Eve when they first sinned. Also, God required animal sacrifices in the Old Testament. Eating meat is not a sin.It is not murder. After the Fall, God made our bodies to need meat.
DeleteIf you want to learn an interesting Bible lesson, look up what the rules are for humanely killing (butchering) animals to be eaten. Google the term "shechita." Spoiler alert: There will be no guns or arrows.
DeleteOur bodies don't "need" meat. There are other protein sources that do not involve butchering.
DeleteI am sorry 7:01, but people's bodies thrive better on meat.
DeleteTo 7:01 Tell that to all the fast food places and restaurants in the world. The End.
DeleteAnimals are animals, not people. They get butchered for meat and that is the way the real world works. We have been doing it since the beginning.Accept it.
DeleteBuck Ventures love God's great outdoors; but, NOT God's creatures.
ReplyDeleteI can't imagine killing an animal for sport, period, much less with a bow and arrow, which inflicts horrible pain unless it kills on impact. According to the Biblical command to be kind to animals, this is WRONG.
DeleteWeapons for shooting at targets, NOT God's creatures.
DeleteOh please....I wish more people felt this way about abortion! Talk about not loving God's creatures!!
DeleteGod gave us rule over His animals
DeleteI don't shoot my own cows, but I eat beef. Give me a break.
DeleteGod gave us rule over our own physical bodies, too. Decisions about its upkeep are ours.
Delete@Kaity, He did, but that doesn't mean we can treat them cruelly.
Delete@Anonymous 9:06 PM, you can more than one thing morally wrong.
Come on! God did give us rule over His animals, but that doesn't mean it's okay to kill an animal in a PAINFUL way. That is WRONG and SIN, in my opinion.
DeleteOk, let's eradiacte the need for abortions by starting government-funded programs that house, take care of medically, educate, and employ single mothers, plus give them daycare. You're pro-life, but are you pro-mothers, before and after this life arrives?
DeleteI don't really like the idea of just killing an animal for sport, but my family and friends like to hunt, and since the Bible doesn't forbid it I really don't think it's wrong to hunt.
DeleteTHANK YOU 10:15! It's easy to be pro-life. Harder to fork over your tax dollars to take care of the social problems that come with unplanned children. And much harder to explain to victims of violence why they have no choice but to bear the potential result of the violence.
DeleteChildren under 4 are free? To an event with guns and arrows? In a group that almost always leaves childcare up to the women?
ReplyDeleteJoy works there now. Maybe she's caring for all the kids.
DeletePoor Joy, escapes from one house full of kids only to have to take care of a bunch of other peoples kids!!
DeleteBowhunting mixed with religion? The Oklahoma Fish and Wildlife Agencies found that many deer take up to 7 days to die in bowhunting. Guns were were an immense technological improvement — and reduced the suffering of the animal. Texas Parks and Wildlife Department used bowhunting to bag 128 deer while wounding and failing to retrieve 130 others. The wounded animals go on to starve or die of sepsis. How is this torture considered Christian?
ReplyDeleteIT DOESNT SAY THEY ARE HUNTING. READ CAREFULLY. and even if they were- who cares. Hunting is legal you know. And lots of men hunt with their sons.
DeleteThe Lord tells us to "Kill and eat" in Acts 10:13. But I have to agree with you, I don't hunt with a bow either due to the wounding nature of arrows. God told the Hebrews to kill their animals with a single blow or else it was not "clean" to eat. If a bow is the only thing you have, then have at it. However, I think we have a responsibility to God to end a life as quickly as possible.
DeleteTHANK YOU. It's NOT Christian per the Biblical command to be kind to animals.
DeleteNo, Texas, a bow is not an acceptable way to kill if you are keeping Kosher, and you cannot just "have at it." Look up the terms "terefah" and "nevelah" and you will learn why you can't use a bow.
DeleteThere's much more to it than the single blow you mention, too. There's the position of the animal at the time of kill, for starters. And the knife blade has to be perfect. Much more, if you want to learn about Biblical law.
I hate hunting. It's cruel to God's creatures. Doesn't anybody look at the preys point of view?
ReplyDeleteNo. You can Stop complaining now.
DeleteGod gave the animals over to us to eat, check out Acts 10.
DeleteUnless you don't eat meat, don't wear any animal products, and don't use products or medications that have undergone animal testing, this is a hypocritical stance to take. There's not much difference between hunting and buying a pack of hamburger meat at the store. At least the deer (or whatever) got to live a good life. Animals raised for slaughter often live in horrible conditions.
DeleteHad a hamburger lately?
DeleteI don't understand the relationship between this event and JB?
ReplyDeleteThose fees are outrageous! Also, bringing guns and arrows?! That is just wrong. All of that stuff should be illegal.
ReplyDeleteBut it's not... so they are doing nothing wrong.
DeleteBecause only criminals should carry guns...wow
DeleteHonestly, this event disturbs and confuses me. JimBob, whom professes many strict adherences to pro life, modest dress, courting accountability, no television, no post homeschool education; participates in an event that condones the blatant murder of innocent animals!!! Please explain this rationale???
ReplyDeleteThey're simply "harvesting" animals...remember when Austin used that euphemism?
DeleteI suppose all meat eaters are guilty, to some degree, of being a party to this. I couldn't make a living raising livestock or poultry. They'd become pets and would all have names!
In Acts 10, God gives the animals over to us to "Kill and Eat". Hunting or slaughtering animals is absolutely condoned by God and is in line with His teachings. However, God told the Hebrews that an animal must be killed with a single blow or else it was not clean to eat. Therefore I don't agree with taking an animal with a bow or an under powered rifle unless it is your only option. I can understand why people think hunting is evil and such, but its because the world has given animals a "human" persona. Animals are soulless instinctual creatures, yes they feel pain, they get scared all that, but animals are not innocent, nor are they guilty. I believe we are still called to be good to animals as was originally intended before the fall, but they have been given to us as food, and we are commanded to eat.
DeleteGeesh, people...you can't murder animals. Nothing wrong with hunting of you're going to eat what you kill. God gave us animals for our use. They killed animals in Biblical times.
DeleteUmmm...they're "animals"...for food. Enough said.
DeleteChildren and handguns. What could possibly go wrong?
ReplyDeleteMy kids have been shooting since they were 4. Teach them safety and there's is nothing wrong with that.
DeleteMost likely nothing, I fired my first gun at age 4, my brother at age 3. Pretty much the same story for everyone I know. Responsible safety training and guidance is more than enough to prevent something going wrong. A gun goes bang from one end, its not that hard to teach even a child to be safe with them.
DeleteNothing. I'm sure the adults are responsible.
DeleteI can't forget the picture they once posted with a gun left on the ground and the smallest Duggars running around beside it.
DeleteI can't imagine any parent allowing a 3 or 4 year old to shoot a gun. Where I live, it's illegal to have an unlocked gun in a house with children. Discharging any gun, even an air gun or a BB gun, in this city will get you a visit from the police and a day in court. If a child fires a gun, the parents are held completely responsible and there is a high legal price to pay. It's very serious business.
DeleteAgree @4:50. Allowing your children to shoot a gun is a good way to have your children taken away from you, for their own safety.
DeleteDisgusting to hunt, even worse with bow and arrows, much more torturing to animals
ReplyDeleteNever seen so many vegetarians on one site before. Amazing.
DeleteTotally agree!!!
Delete"Courageous " men of the World conference featuring JimBob and Jeff Danker. What's so "courageous" about those two? Perhaps, this event should have invited soldiers who have had tours in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc putting their lives on the line for us or firefighters or policemen...true courageous men!
DeletePeople obviously hunted animals thousands of years before gunpowder was invented by the Chinese. Throughout the history of mankind, bows and arrows were used in hunting. It's only within the last 40-50 years that this society has birthed animal rights activists. You do realize that you would not be here today had not those going before you hunted with bows and arrows (then guns), and killed animals right? You also realize that animal habitats were destroyed, animals were displaced and some starved death to build your subdivision, the stores you shop at, the factories that produce your vehicle and the goods you purchase, the cities you live in, and the roads you drive on.
DeleteBow hunting, done right, isn't more torturing to the animal. It's called time invested in target practicing and tracking your animal if need be.
Anon @ 11:39. You should go to some of the vegetarian sites then, you would see even more there!
DeleteThe theme of this men's camp is "Battle Ready". Participants are also encouraged to bring hand guns and bows/arrows. (Shotguns and rifles provided.) Is this supposed to be a Godly and uplifting experience? I don't think this organization is doing themselves any favors with this type of disturbing promotion.
ReplyDeleteI agree, 10:07. I can't see any correlation between their chosen Bible verse and encouraging men, and ESPECIALLY children of any age, to take up arms. For what? Some perceived "battle" they are going to fight? Makes no sense.
DeleteSince I'm not of their same faith, am I the one who's on the other side in this battle????
DeleteWhat is this battle? And why does it require the use of guns?
DeleteI think we've already seen enough of what happens in the world when one religion decides they're going to fight a "battle." It's not good to put any kind of pugilistic thoughts into anyone's head. The theme of this seminar should be peace and diplomacy for a troubled world!
DeleteBattle ready means to be spiritually ready. It is taken from the book of Ephesians in which Christians are to put on the full armor of God.
DeleteThe battle is a spiritual one against Satan, who wants to enslave us in sin. It is definitely not talking about physical battles. When you pursue a spiritual battle against Satan and sin, you will have peace in this troubled world.
DeleteI really wanted to attend this, but I had some issues come up. I'll be praying for all those that attend. I'm sure it will be a great time of learning and fellowship.
ReplyDeleteIt looks like Henry.
ReplyDeleteI think it is Meredith. Looks like a girl's romper to me.
DeleteIts Henry, was on their page a while back.
DeleteFrom Fort Rock website: We are pleased to host Courageous Men of the Word‘s Annual men’s camp! This year’s theme is “Battle Ready” based off of Ephesians 6. Our guest speakers will include Jim Bob Duggar of TLC’s “Counting On” as well as bow hunter Jeff Danker on the Outdoor Channel. Be sure to bring your favorite handgun and bows and arrows. Shotguns and rifles will be provided.
ReplyDeleteCost:
$175/adult 16 years +, $125/child 5-15 years, 4 and under are free (plus tax, includes meals, lodging, and activities)
And the point of repeating this was?
DeleteAnimals in the Bible that were allowed to be used for food were handled and slaughtered according to Kosher rules. Some butchers still adhere to these practices. That's different than loading up the shotgun or the bows/arrows and stalking a creature in the woods who can't defend themselves.
ReplyDeleteQuite correct, 11:11.
DeleteI miss being able to see Jim Bob lead family bible time at home. I miss watching Jim bob and Michelle talk to one another on 19 kids and counting. I miss all the other Duggar kids and seeing what they are all doing week to week!
ReplyDeleteWE WILL NOT BE SHOOTING INNOCENT ANIMALS OR GUILTY ONES FOR THAT MATTER! Sorry to yell but these comments by people who don't know what they are talking about!
ReplyDelete"We"? Who posted this? A Forsyth or a Duggar?
DeleteSeems like the men in this family have singlehandedly brought this family down...first Josh, then Ben, then Jeremy, and now Derick and its not fair to us fans who have enjoyed the show since day one.They get to voice their opinions, so now I am voicing mine, I'm not being hateful or hurtful,I am just so very dissapointed that their actions have jeopardized the future of the family and their show, and I fear now they have dug a hole so deep there is no getting out of this one. Now I know that this comment will not fly well with both sides and thats okay as Im not trying to hurt anyone, I just wanted to say how I felt, even though its going to upset some people.Thanks Lily and Ellie for fairly posting all comments, I hope this one makes it in.Prayers to all☻
ReplyDelete3:13AM I hear you. It's a wonder the show is still on after what Josh did. Now TLC has even more controversy on their hands with this family. I don't know how much more that network can tolerate. I think that Derick (at least) wants off the show, or he wouldn't have spoken out against TLC.
DeleteTeacher here: One of the first things I teach is the importance of reading carefully and verify, verify, verify (information). Show of hands here- How many commenters read the full promo up top? How many pulled out a Bible or searched online for and read Ephesians 6?
ReplyDeleteEphesians 6 begins with verses detailing the heart attitude and relationship fathers should be striving for with their children. It advises fathers. It goes on to discuss spiritual battles that Christians face and the armor God provides and how to use it. It has nothing to do with actual physical battles, gun control, or hunting. They're not advocating arming for Armageddon or a war on government. It is devoted to resisting temptation (be that lust/adultery/pornography, dishonesty, compromising your values, lying, stealing, selfishness, coveting what others have, jealousy, envy, strife, fear/worry, being too busy/digitally distracted to spend time with or lead your family, etc.). The premise of the Men's Conference is to teach men to be better men-husbands, fathers, brothers,leaders, and employees. They encourage fathers to bring their young sons to train them up as well.
Many men enjoy all things hunting, so being an outdoorsman camp, they've invited the men to bring those things to bond over shared activities like target shooting. The camp likely has established safe guards for children in place during those activities, as do many outdoors camps across the U.S.. Also, usually there are a number of classes dedicated to weapon safety training, particularly if professional hunters have been engaged as conference speakers.
Nowhere is it indicated that any animals will be hunted/shot, that children will be unsupervised, weapons will be "just lying around" where children can access them, nor even that weapons will be easily accessible or kept in cabins (as opposed to checked in a locked facility onsite).
As a teacher, you should know that it only takes a moment, or one turned back, or one unintentional slip-up, for trouble to happen.
DeleteThere was a gun show that used to come to town, until one of the guns, inadvertently loaded, accidentally went off. These were professional gun dealers at the show, people who were supposed to know what they were doing.
Accidents happen. Children around guns is not a good idea. Why chance it?
More people (and way more children) are killed by cars every year, so why chance it? No one should own or drive cars, using your logic.
DeleteSo do you let your kids have the car keys? No, and you shouldn't let them be around guns, either. Same logic.
DeleteI can definitely see a spiritual battle going on with all these comments.
ReplyDeleteWhat "spiritual" battle are you talking about?
DeleteI am disappointed in that this conference does seem to be perpetuating a specific stereotype of what a "real man" is. A real man is not a macho man- all about wielding his authority and proving his masculinity via "outdoorsy" or "manly" activity and pursuits. Where does this conference leave room for those men/boys that do not fit their specific mold or definition of a "man"?
ReplyDeleteA real man is one who loves his wife and family and prioritizes their well-being, health, and safety above his own. A real man invests time into his marriage and his relationship with his children, grandchildren, extended family, and those within his sphere of influence.
A courageous Man of the Word is defined by his godly behavior, his actions and reactions marked by integrity and a willingness to be painfully honest about his shortcomings and bad decisions, genuine humility, and conscious decisions to do things God's way no matter what may happen. A Courageous Man of the Word leads his family, well- aware that it is both a privilege God has entrusted to him to lead and care for them well and a responsibility, making him personally accountable to God.